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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kingreaper" data-source="post: 5234165" data-attributes="member: 83870">Other than a quarterstaff? Yes, see belowYes, it is a different staff from a quarterstaff.Look, we know that WotC overload words. For example: Mace. My argument is based solely on RAW. Your argument requires that the word "staff" not be overloaded; that it refers to precisely one thing; a weapon-group that is also an implement-group.Heavy Blade and Light Blade are only ever defined as Weapon Groups, so the Swordmage implement section can't refer to anything other than the weapon groups in question.Imagine though that there was a MaceMage. They have the Mace implement. Later in the book the Mace implement is defined as being specifically only the Mace weapon, not any Mace-group weapon.Would such a macemage be able to use a greatclub as an implement?</blockquote>