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<blockquote data-quote="Black Knight Irios" data-source="post: 5234491" data-attributes="member: 8853">Take a look at the wording at the implement entry of swordmages in the FRPG. It says light blades and heavy blades. It nowhere states that this refers to the weapon group. Still everyone knows that they are weapon groups and are meant.Wizards are proficient with staff implements. There is a staff weapon group. Why would you assume that they are talking about a weapon group once and about something else another time?<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Staff fighting allows you to treat the quarterstaff as a double weapon.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Both ends belong to the staff group (nowhere is said that they are in the staff group but this is a save assumption b/c there is nothing that indicates that they are not).</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">You are proficient with all implements in the staff group.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wielding a double weapon counts as wielding a weapon in each hand.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">If a weapon group or specific weapon is identical with an implement we can use that weapon as an implement if we are proficient with that implement.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">DIS wants us to wield an implement in each hand which we are doing, we wield a weapon in each hand that is at the same time an implement.</li>
</ul>This should work by RAW. On a side note:If you feel like, this is a stretch of the rules, ask yourself, is this stretch OP? If the answer is no, why don't you allow it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Black Knight Irios, post: 5234491, member: 8853"] Take a look at the wording at the implement entry of swordmages in the FRPG. It says light blades and heavy blades. It nowhere states that this refers to the weapon group. Still everyone knows that they are weapon groups and are meant. Wizards are proficient with staff implements. There is a staff weapon group. Why would you assume that they are talking about a weapon group once and about something else another time? [LIST] [*]Staff fighting allows you to treat the quarterstaff as a double weapon. [*]Both ends belong to the staff group (nowhere is said that they are in the staff group but this is a save assumption b/c there is nothing that indicates that they are not). [*]You are proficient with all implements in the staff group. [*]Wielding a double weapon counts as wielding a weapon in each hand. [*]If a weapon group or specific weapon is identical with an implement we can use that weapon as an implement if we are proficient with that implement. [*]DIS wants us to wield an implement in each hand which we are doing, we wield a weapon in each hand that is at the same time an implement. [/LIST] This should work by RAW. On a side note: If you feel like, this is a stretch of the rules, ask yourself, is this stretch OP? If the answer is no, why don't you allow it. [/QUOTE]

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