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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5292480" data-attributes="member: 35909">Yeah, staggered existed in 3E. <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/conditions.htm" target="_blank">Condition Summary Index :: d20srd.org</a>It says you're staggered when nonlethal damage equals current hp, but also gives a pretty clear description of what the condition does.  And there were other and early abilities to stagger a foe without beating him up first.  My personal favorite is the Staggering Strike feat from C.Adventurer.Also, I think Ray of Enfeeblement got nerfed too much in Pathfinder. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Don't mind Ray of Dizziness having a save to reduce to one round necessarily, but depending on what spell level it is, I might reduce it one level or something in that case.  I mean, put things in perspective...Staggered isn't much different than slowed (actually not as bad, no AC or speed penalty).  And in the PF slow spell description, it actually says foes are staggered, plus the other bad stuff.  So, if you can use a level 3 spell to (save negates) stagger and more a whole bunch of enemies, then a spell that requires a touch attack and only hits one enemy and save reduces to one round is higher level, it's utterly worthless.  If it's level 3, it's probably still strictly worse.</blockquote>

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