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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 4761520" data-attributes="member: 8158">For me, it was a fight staged within a tangle of underbrush. I too learned the hard way that a little goes a long way with DT. Well, I have a five-man group of three strikers and two defenders and we grind routinely. In fact, two owl bears was a near TPK for our party of 5-6th level characters. It's just too easy to shoot the ol' wad and then have to wear down two or three hundred HP (depending on the hit/miss ratio) with at-wills. I really feel like more encounter powers are needed. Also, many daillies don't yield meaningful dividends on a miss. My warlock, for instance, only gets to throw 5 pts of ongoing fire damage when he misses with a daily. There's too much micro-damage in powers. Powers like cleave that deal piddling damage to a creature that has three-figure HP. That's one of those "what-were-they-thinking" elements of 4e. Nickel-and-diming a monster feels very grindy, perhaps even moreso than missing it.</blockquote>