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<blockquote data-quote="Amaroq" data-source="post: 5137757" data-attributes="member: 15470"><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Luv you too, Rache! </p><p></p><p>More seriously, I'm not claiming that it came fairly easy to me, but that it turned out that <strong>precision</strong> isn't as important for monsters as it is for player-character powers .. </p><p></p><p>.. and heck, we all know PC powers aren't created equal, either. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>So, my point was just, given the multitude of cases, the span of "difficulty" within a given level for the already-published monsters, and the fact that my experience seems to argue that "precise balancing" is less important than simply making sure the monster "plays fun" ...</p><p></p><p>... is this worth the time its going to take to do it well?</p><p></p><p></p><p>My fault, that veer, and my apologies to you the OP for it; I'll drop the side-track. </p><p></p><p>You do make the good counter-argument: what we have currently is too general and too broad, and doesn't do a good job of guiding a fairly inexperienced DM through the process of making his first monster; that leaves it being more intimidating than it "should be", which may be preventing people from trying it and discovering that they and their players enjoy it.</p><p></p><p>So.</p><p></p><p>Focusing on it, what do we want to touch on?</p><p></p><p>As I see it, the main components of a monster are:</p><p></p><p>Hit Points</p><p>Defenses</p><p>Attack bonuses</p><p>Attack powers (limited) - targets, damage, and effects</p><p>Attack powers (at-will) - targets, damage, and effects</p><p>Controller powers - zones, effects, etc</p><p>Movement powers</p><p>Healing powers</p><p>"Leader" powers - affect allies</p><p></p><p>What other characteristics do you think we need to balance?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Amaroq, post: 5137757, member: 15470"] :p Luv you too, Rache! More seriously, I'm not claiming that it came fairly easy to me, but that it turned out that [b]precision[/b] isn't as important for monsters as it is for player-character powers .. .. and heck, we all know PC powers aren't created equal, either. :D So, my point was just, given the multitude of cases, the span of "difficulty" within a given level for the already-published monsters, and the fact that my experience seems to argue that "precise balancing" is less important than simply making sure the monster "plays fun" ... ... is this worth the time its going to take to do it well? My fault, that veer, and my apologies to you the OP for it; I'll drop the side-track. You do make the good counter-argument: what we have currently is too general and too broad, and doesn't do a good job of guiding a fairly inexperienced DM through the process of making his first monster; that leaves it being more intimidating than it "should be", which may be preventing people from trying it and discovering that they and their players enjoy it. So. Focusing on it, what do we want to touch on? As I see it, the main components of a monster are: Hit Points Defenses Attack bonuses Attack powers (limited) - targets, damage, and effects Attack powers (at-will) - targets, damage, and effects Controller powers - zones, effects, etc Movement powers Healing powers "Leader" powers - affect allies What other characteristics do you think we need to balance? [/QUOTE]
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