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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AFGNCAAP" data-source="post: 1270768" data-attributes="member: 871">Well, the whole idea of statting out demihuman subraces & not human subraces is a bit irksome to me, but that's another thread/rant (and a past one, IIRC; BTW, I think that the demihuman subraces shouldn't be statted out, & at the most, be treated as the various human cultures are in FRCS, but that's besides the point).I think that some of the concepts seen in the elves are quite nice concepts, except for the fact that they're elves.  For example:The avariel are a cool idea for a winged humanoid race (and who aren't outsiders or half-humanoid/half-other creature combos).  They use glassteel as a construction material for buildings and armaments, and have their own cultural style.  But they didn't need to be elves--the original "winged folk" race that popped up in an old Dragon magazine were basically winged humans.  I think it was in 2nd ed. (in the Complete Book of Elves) when they were introduced as elves.Aquatic elves are a cool race, but once again, they would have been cool without the "elf" label/feature added.IMHO, I think that their really wasn't a need for wood & wild elves--one would have done just fine (and, IMHO, the term "wood elf" would work best, but the wild elf stats are better).Star elves (and Dragon's ghost elves) are a nice concept, and like the avariel that concept would work fine without the "elf" branding on it.  Heck, it'd be a bit refreshing if the concepts were linked to other races (winged gnomes, aquatic orcs, ghost lizardfolk, star dwarves, etc.).</blockquote>

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