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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jian" data-source="post: 9565956" data-attributes="member: 78087">I certainly think we could do with seeing more utopianism (or at least stable, pleasant societies where everybody gets on OK and nobody is poor or oppressed) outside the Federation. It should not be a marker of a functional society that it immediately joins the Federation like Bajor. I mean, I can see why they would - there are some literal space Nazis just next door - but it shouldn’t be a rule or requirement.Weirdly I think the best example we have is the Klingon Empire, which honestly is at this point an Empire only in name. Yes, it’s politically unstable with a new Chancellor every few years at the point of a knife, but that’s actually how the Klingons seem to like it - it’s not as if the constant turmoil actually seems to negatively impact the life of the average Klingon, which seems no worse than the life of the average Federation citizen. It’s more like elections but, you know, with bat’leths and nobody voting, whoever still has their head attached at the end of the proceedings gets to say they’re in charge but mostly the High Council and bureaucracy keep things running. And everyone gets to pretend that Klingons are this fierce martial race barely held back from conquering the quadrant by their innate nobility and not, you know, a nation of citizens and workers like everyone else.</blockquote>