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<blockquote data-quote="jian" data-source="post: 9566766" data-attributes="member: 78087"><p>Yes, while it mostly sounds like a not very good movie, it also sounds like ST’s equivalent of the Special Operations Executive (SOE, AKA “the department of dirty tricks” or “the ministry of ungentlemanly warfare”), a ragtag group of amateurs put together by the British government in WW2 to basically throw stuff at the wall and see what stuck. </p><p></p><p>They mostly did resistance and partisan support behind enemy lines - radio operators and weapons drops to resistance organisations, that sort of thing - and they also had an ungodly high casualty rate. Many SOE survivors helped form the Special Intelligence Service (SIS, the actual name for what many still call MI6, the external intelligence agency of the UK) after the war and brought the same spirit of whatever works (and an unhealthy dose of survivor’s guilt) to that organisation. The equivalent in the US was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) which was similar but much better funded, and which basically became the CIA after the war.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, the spirit of “do whatever it takes” was somewhat more justified against the Nazis in WW2, and both organisations very rapidly became terrible people doing terrible things as soon as that no longer applied. So having Section 31 follow the same path is historically accurate and interesting, but I’m not sure I need to see it. A tragic story of desperate amateurs doing whatever it takes against an overwhelming existential threat (no idea who those guys would be) and then being corrupted by their power and lack of accountability before being quietly eradicated by Starfleet and all but forgotten before gradually reforming in the TNG era sounds interesting but I really don’t want to watch it. I also don’t want it to be led by Empress Georgiou, that’s basically the <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization" target="_blank">Gehlen organisation.</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jian, post: 9566766, member: 78087"] Yes, while it mostly sounds like a not very good movie, it also sounds like ST’s equivalent of the Special Operations Executive (SOE, AKA “the department of dirty tricks” or “the ministry of ungentlemanly warfare”), a ragtag group of amateurs put together by the British government in WW2 to basically throw stuff at the wall and see what stuck. They mostly did resistance and partisan support behind enemy lines - radio operators and weapons drops to resistance organisations, that sort of thing - and they also had an ungodly high casualty rate. Many SOE survivors helped form the Special Intelligence Service (SIS, the actual name for what many still call MI6, the external intelligence agency of the UK) after the war and brought the same spirit of whatever works (and an unhealthy dose of survivor’s guilt) to that organisation. The equivalent in the US was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) which was similar but much better funded, and which basically became the CIA after the war. The thing is, the spirit of “do whatever it takes” was somewhat more justified against the Nazis in WW2, and both organisations very rapidly became terrible people doing terrible things as soon as that no longer applied. So having Section 31 follow the same path is historically accurate and interesting, but I’m not sure I need to see it. A tragic story of desperate amateurs doing whatever it takes against an overwhelming existential threat (no idea who those guys would be) and then being corrupted by their power and lack of accountability before being quietly eradicated by Starfleet and all but forgotten before gradually reforming in the TNG era sounds interesting but I really don’t want to watch it. I also don’t want it to be led by Empress Georgiou, that’s basically the [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization']Gehlen organisation.[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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