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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9765281" data-attributes="member: 177">I want to add - the episode with Dr. Mora is the worst thing that show ever produced.Saying Mora wasn't &quot;particularly gentle about it&quot; is a polite understatement.&nbsp; Mora used painful electric shocks on infant Odo to get him to do things - if you did that to your kid on Earth, we'd call that abuse.Odo, at the start of the episode is very angry, and wants nothing to do with Mora.&nbsp; Mora's position is, &quot;Hey, it worked, didn't it?&nbsp; You know how to interact with society and change shape and all - so what are you whining about?&quot; And, in the end, the episode effectively has Odo apologize for being angry.While they might have intended &quot;parents sometimes have to do things kids don't like&quot; the metaphor came across as abuse apologia - if it gets results, and the kid performs, the end justifies the means, and parents cause pain because they love you.&nbsp; Which is really lousy.Folks here may feel I'm off base.&nbsp; I watched the episode with someone who has complex PTSD from abusive parents, and learned a lot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9765281, member: 177"] I want to add - the episode with Dr. Mora is the [I]worst[/I] thing that show ever produced. Saying Mora wasn't "particularly gentle about it" is a polite understatement. Mora used painful electric shocks on infant Odo to get him to do things - if you did that to your kid on Earth, we'd call that abuse. Odo, at the start of the episode is very angry, and wants nothing to do with Mora. Mora's position is, "Hey, it worked, didn't it? You know how to interact with society and change shape and all - so what are you whining about?" And, in the end, the episode effectively has Odo [I]apologize for being angry[/I]. While they might have intended "parents sometimes have to do things kids don't like" the metaphor came across as abuse apologia - if it gets results, and the kid performs, the end justifies the means, and parents cause pain because they love you. Which is really lousy. Folks here may feel I'm off base. I watched the episode with someone who has complex PTSD from abusive parents, and learned a lot. [/QUOTE]

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