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<blockquote data-quote="Relique du Madde" data-source="post: 3429402" data-attributes="member: 42169"><p>Wolf, there is alot to respond to in your message...</p><p></p><p>Let's ignore Worf for now and remember that the star fleet from NG was portrayed differently from the other vesions of starfleet. Where as OS portrayed star fleet as being adventurers and explorers not affraid of taking risks, star fleet in NG was utopian and civilized. For this reason, I don't expect many members of star fleet to have had combat training beyond learning how to point a tv remote at a screen since physical combat tends to be viewed as being in many utopian societies. This is probably why hand to hand combat was appeared more often in the other series since they were either at the edge of civilization (DS9) or in the wilderness (Voyager and OS). </p><p></p><p>Now, because most star fleet members are not trained in melee combat, its only natural that they would refuse to fight. However, Riker, Tasha Yar (when she was living), Data and Worf do seem to be the only star fleet members on enterprises bridge crew that were experienced in hand to hand combat, so they would be expected to fight, right?</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, because of his nature, Worf often charges into a fist fight with an alien (maybe to rebuild his family's lost honor by defending the enterprise or to avoid ribs by his fellow crewmates). If Worf easily takes one alien out, all is good. However, if Worf gets one-punched, I don't expect many non-combat trained crewmen to join the melee battle considering that the toughest non cybornetic/android crew member was floored. Instead, I would expect them to wet themselves, hide behind Data or get cover and pull out their phasers (which happens 9/10 times after Worf goes down). To me, this would explain why more humans were never involved in hand to hand combat in ST:NG...fought because they were all extremely smart COWARDS!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Note: I'm not really sure how often hand to hand combat occured in Enterprise, but I would expect it to break out as often as it did in voyager (thought not as much as in the original series).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Relique du Madde, post: 3429402, member: 42169"] Wolf, there is alot to respond to in your message... Let's ignore Worf for now and remember that the star fleet from NG was portrayed differently from the other vesions of starfleet. Where as OS portrayed star fleet as being adventurers and explorers not affraid of taking risks, star fleet in NG was utopian and civilized. For this reason, I don't expect many members of star fleet to have had combat training beyond learning how to point a tv remote at a screen since physical combat tends to be viewed as being in many utopian societies. This is probably why hand to hand combat was appeared more often in the other series since they were either at the edge of civilization (DS9) or in the wilderness (Voyager and OS). Now, because most star fleet members are not trained in melee combat, its only natural that they would refuse to fight. However, Riker, Tasha Yar (when she was living), Data and Worf do seem to be the only star fleet members on enterprises bridge crew that were experienced in hand to hand combat, so they would be expected to fight, right? Unfortunately, because of his nature, Worf often charges into a fist fight with an alien (maybe to rebuild his family's lost honor by defending the enterprise or to avoid ribs by his fellow crewmates). If Worf easily takes one alien out, all is good. However, if Worf gets one-punched, I don't expect many non-combat trained crewmen to join the melee battle considering that the toughest non cybornetic/android crew member was floored. Instead, I would expect them to wet themselves, hide behind Data or get cover and pull out their phasers (which happens 9/10 times after Worf goes down). To me, this would explain why more humans were never involved in hand to hand combat in ST:NG...fought because they were all extremely smart COWARDS! Note: I'm not really sure how often hand to hand combat occured in Enterprise, but I would expect it to break out as often as it did in voyager (thought not as much as in the original series). [/QUOTE]
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