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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7611099" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>That certainly wasn't in the movie. And sounds pretty tortured, as I don't think we see Spock ever use such a device on screen. It sounds like writers realizing they had introduced things that would give fans apoplexy, and screwing on a solution in a novelization or comic book after the fact and claiming that makes it better.</p><p></p><p>And, thankfully, Trek has always been incredibly loose with its canon - if it isn't on a screen, don't count on it. </p><p></p><p>While I'll posit and consider possible solutions, I actually expect they'll simply say, "Yes, usually, time travel hasn't created alternate timelines. This time it did. Spock fell in a black hole, and was gone, and that's it."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hm. Point. I'll have to think about that one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Um, no. That's not how chaos theory works at all. Chaos theory is about the dynamics of some particular kinds of systems, whose parts are very easy to specify, but whose behaviors are highly dependent upon initial conditions, such that predicting their behavior in the long term is nigh impossible. </p><p></p><p>We do not know how dependent on initial conditions the history of the Federation, and its planetary populations, are. They are very much not "easy to specify", if nothing else. </p><p> There are two basic models for fictional time travel, one is as you describe - any tiny change amplifies astoundingly. The other is that a great many things aren't that dependent on the interactions of a few individuals (meaning, the protagonists). In the latter, most of the universe marches on, hardly noticing the human drama.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 7611099, member: 177"] That certainly wasn't in the movie. And sounds pretty tortured, as I don't think we see Spock ever use such a device on screen. It sounds like writers realizing they had introduced things that would give fans apoplexy, and screwing on a solution in a novelization or comic book after the fact and claiming that makes it better. And, thankfully, Trek has always been incredibly loose with its canon - if it isn't on a screen, don't count on it. While I'll posit and consider possible solutions, I actually expect they'll simply say, "Yes, usually, time travel hasn't created alternate timelines. This time it did. Spock fell in a black hole, and was gone, and that's it." Hm. Point. I'll have to think about that one. Um, no. That's not how chaos theory works at all. Chaos theory is about the dynamics of some particular kinds of systems, whose parts are very easy to specify, but whose behaviors are highly dependent upon initial conditions, such that predicting their behavior in the long term is nigh impossible. We do not know how dependent on initial conditions the history of the Federation, and its planetary populations, are. They are very much not "easy to specify", if nothing else. There are two basic models for fictional time travel, one is as you describe - any tiny change amplifies astoundingly. The other is that a great many things aren't that dependent on the interactions of a few individuals (meaning, the protagonists). In the latter, most of the universe marches on, hardly noticing the human drama. [/QUOTE]
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