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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 1282010" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>Well, surprise attack always are in benefit of the attacker, but some notes:</p><p>The Destroyer would have to come out of Hyperspace very near to the Enterprise and know where to shoot them. I am not sure if the Earthforce targeting is that fast, but it is certainly a possibility. But the hyperspace "gate" has first to open and let the ship through - I think it would be little problem for Starfleet sensors to detect this build up. (Though if this is the first EA/Starfleet contact, possibly nobody knows how to react to it.)</p><p> </p><p>Small fighters only have small firepower. I think there is a reason why nobody in the Startrek Universe relies on small fighters. Except for the Defiant, bigger usually means better. Starfleet Ships actually can fire really fast, but against shields, long, continous beams usually prove better than short bursts (at least according to the Technical Manual). An important, additional factor: Starfleet weapons are extremely precise and seem never to miss (at least Phasers). </p><p></p><p></p><p>I am not sure, but I believe in the later series the issue with beaming through their own shields seems to be no problem (but that might only be some inconsistencies). </p><p>Torpedos can be intercepted, that is true, but it is seldomly used in the show. (I can only remember one incident, and it weren`t even real torpeods then, I believe). According to the Tech manual, the tactical systems of the ship might in fact be able to counter these counter-measures, though I never saw a torpedo making evasive maneuvers. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>An interesting question: Are B5 ships tough, or are the B5 weapons weak? I always assumed the latter, especially because of the fact that Startrek ships have shields, and use antimatter weapons. </p><p>Anyway, the Starfleet ships are tougher than you might think - in the first combats against the Dominon, the Jem`Hardar cruisers were able to penetrate Federation shields. This proved disastrous, but even then, the ship was able to stand up for a while. It was not destroyed by ordinary fire, but when one of the Jem`Hardar ship made a kamikaze attack. (But the Starfleet ship - galaxy class, by the way - was already retreating at that moment, and had taken severe damage. The attack was only to make a point...)</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree, the ground combat of Startrek and Starfleet is really lacking. (they should have invested a bit more in some props for this.) Well, at least Phasers are extremely powerful weapons, so maybe the body armor wouldn`t help. (but Klingon warriors would have trouble against it, I guess.)</p><p>But I believe you overestimate the size of the Earth Alliance - Earth Alliance is not equal to the Interestellar Alliance. </p><p>And you underestimate the Startrek fleet. During the Dominion wars, it proved much bigger then I ever expected (with several "fleets" of dozens of ships engaged during the war). At Wolf 359, over 40 ships fought against the Borg. They were all destroyed, but none of the powerful enemies of the Federation seemed to the this as an oppertunity to attack it, which might show that, while a severe loss, it did not cripple the fleet (which was assembled in a rush, by the way - the borg threat was a surprise attack, not a full fledged war like the Dominon War)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would add Space: Above and Beyond into this mix.: )</p><p></p><p>I would compare Battlestar Galactica and Sace with Starwars and Babylon 5 Tech, and Farspace seems to go more into the Startrek Technology type, though there are some aspects more resembling B5 or SW. </p><p>(with Technology in this case I don`t neccessarily talk about superiority and similar aspects, it`s more the "feel" these shows give)</p><p></p><p>Mustrum Ridcully</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 1282010, member: 710"] Well, surprise attack always are in benefit of the attacker, but some notes: The Destroyer would have to come out of Hyperspace very near to the Enterprise and know where to shoot them. I am not sure if the Earthforce targeting is that fast, but it is certainly a possibility. But the hyperspace "gate" has first to open and let the ship through - I think it would be little problem for Starfleet sensors to detect this build up. (Though if this is the first EA/Starfleet contact, possibly nobody knows how to react to it.) Small fighters only have small firepower. I think there is a reason why nobody in the Startrek Universe relies on small fighters. Except for the Defiant, bigger usually means better. Starfleet Ships actually can fire really fast, but against shields, long, continous beams usually prove better than short bursts (at least according to the Technical Manual). An important, additional factor: Starfleet weapons are extremely precise and seem never to miss (at least Phasers). I am not sure, but I believe in the later series the issue with beaming through their own shields seems to be no problem (but that might only be some inconsistencies). Torpedos can be intercepted, that is true, but it is seldomly used in the show. (I can only remember one incident, and it weren`t even real torpeods then, I believe). According to the Tech manual, the tactical systems of the ship might in fact be able to counter these counter-measures, though I never saw a torpedo making evasive maneuvers. :) An interesting question: Are B5 ships tough, or are the B5 weapons weak? I always assumed the latter, especially because of the fact that Startrek ships have shields, and use antimatter weapons. Anyway, the Starfleet ships are tougher than you might think - in the first combats against the Dominon, the Jem`Hardar cruisers were able to penetrate Federation shields. This proved disastrous, but even then, the ship was able to stand up for a while. It was not destroyed by ordinary fire, but when one of the Jem`Hardar ship made a kamikaze attack. (But the Starfleet ship - galaxy class, by the way - was already retreating at that moment, and had taken severe damage. The attack was only to make a point...) I agree, the ground combat of Startrek and Starfleet is really lacking. (they should have invested a bit more in some props for this.) Well, at least Phasers are extremely powerful weapons, so maybe the body armor wouldn`t help. (but Klingon warriors would have trouble against it, I guess.) But I believe you overestimate the size of the Earth Alliance - Earth Alliance is not equal to the Interestellar Alliance. And you underestimate the Startrek fleet. During the Dominion wars, it proved much bigger then I ever expected (with several "fleets" of dozens of ships engaged during the war). At Wolf 359, over 40 ships fought against the Borg. They were all destroyed, but none of the powerful enemies of the Federation seemed to the this as an oppertunity to attack it, which might show that, while a severe loss, it did not cripple the fleet (which was assembled in a rush, by the way - the borg threat was a surprise attack, not a full fledged war like the Dominon War) I would add Space: Above and Beyond into this mix.: ) I would compare Battlestar Galactica and Sace with Starwars and Babylon 5 Tech, and Farspace seems to go more into the Startrek Technology type, though there are some aspects more resembling B5 or SW. (with Technology in this case I don`t neccessarily talk about superiority and similar aspects, it`s more the "feel" these shows give) Mustrum Ridcully [/QUOTE]
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