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<blockquote data-quote="s/LaSH" data-source="post: 1282482" data-attributes="member: 6929"><p>Read the following lines out loud, simultaneously.</p><p></p><p>"Sir! I'm picking up a subspace distortion!" "Onscreen." "Analysis, Number One?"</p><p>VWEEEERRRRR WHOOOMMM "Target within range, Captain." "Fire." VWRRRRBOOOM</p><p></p><p>This is the narrative method of prediction.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fighters are fragile, but maneuverable. Especially EA Starfuries, which take the X-wing design and make it sing. Is that enough to counter Trek targeting? It is if you've damaged targeting systems and forced Worf to go to manual targeting. Also, if you can use Starfury fighters, you can probably use Starfury bombers (as seen in the 'suppression' of the Martian riots).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Voyager certainly had no way to beam through shields, although the Borg did and the Janeway time travel incident might have introduced further technology. And the Enterprise NX-01 has no shields, just an advanced form of that British high-energy armour technology. I don't really know, however.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>EA ships don't mess around when it comes to point defence. Interceptors, Mk I and Mk II. They can shoot down fighters, intercept particle weapons, and create a localised effect similar to shields. It's not exactly a countermeasure if it's shooting at you from six directions at once. Torps aren't as big as fighters (there was one episode of DS9 when a dud torp hit the Defiant and Quark tried to salvage it for sale; it was huge, but not as massive as a Starfury), so that might help... but maybe not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Antimatter torps. Yes. By comparison, the Vree of B5 are developing a third generation antimatter 'beam' weapon, to replace their antiproton and superior antimatter cannons. It's not much deadlier than any of the other weapons of the B5 universe, although the new generation is supposed to support a withering rate of fire.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True. It's always 'Hull breaches on decks 1 thru 12, power out to hydroponics, sensors offline', never 'We're doomed'. Heck, look at the Defiant. She got hammered really badly at the Borg battle in Earth orbit, and hung together to be destroyed later in a pivotal battle on DS9.</p><p></p><p>Then again, I've seen EA destroyers take a nuke up the nose point-blank and stay intact. So I wouldn't say Trek ships are tougher. They are, however, contenders.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Klingons aren't entirely stupid; they'd be quite happy blasting away with disruptors. "There is no honour in defeat," as was spoken during the Dominion War.</p><p></p><p>However, I'd give the edge here to the automatic PPG rifles that EA gropos carry. They can saw through a bulkhead like nobody's business.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is entirely true. EA couldn't field more than a couple dozen capital ships, in my estimation, whereas Starfleet is hugeous.</p><p></p><p>Throw the might of the Interstellar Alliance behind EA, however, and you're talking a whole different kettle of fish... and if you want, we can do Shadows versus Borg.</p><p></p><p>"No! You can't assimillate that planet!"</p><p>"Why not?"</p><p>"Because it's not there any more."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="s/LaSH, post: 1282482, member: 6929"] Read the following lines out loud, simultaneously. "Sir! I'm picking up a subspace distortion!" "Onscreen." "Analysis, Number One?" VWEEEERRRRR WHOOOMMM "Target within range, Captain." "Fire." VWRRRRBOOOM This is the narrative method of prediction. Fighters are fragile, but maneuverable. Especially EA Starfuries, which take the X-wing design and make it sing. Is that enough to counter Trek targeting? It is if you've damaged targeting systems and forced Worf to go to manual targeting. Also, if you can use Starfury fighters, you can probably use Starfury bombers (as seen in the 'suppression' of the Martian riots). Voyager certainly had no way to beam through shields, although the Borg did and the Janeway time travel incident might have introduced further technology. And the Enterprise NX-01 has no shields, just an advanced form of that British high-energy armour technology. I don't really know, however. EA ships don't mess around when it comes to point defence. Interceptors, Mk I and Mk II. They can shoot down fighters, intercept particle weapons, and create a localised effect similar to shields. It's not exactly a countermeasure if it's shooting at you from six directions at once. Torps aren't as big as fighters (there was one episode of DS9 when a dud torp hit the Defiant and Quark tried to salvage it for sale; it was huge, but not as massive as a Starfury), so that might help... but maybe not. Antimatter torps. Yes. By comparison, the Vree of B5 are developing a third generation antimatter 'beam' weapon, to replace their antiproton and superior antimatter cannons. It's not much deadlier than any of the other weapons of the B5 universe, although the new generation is supposed to support a withering rate of fire. True. It's always 'Hull breaches on decks 1 thru 12, power out to hydroponics, sensors offline', never 'We're doomed'. Heck, look at the Defiant. She got hammered really badly at the Borg battle in Earth orbit, and hung together to be destroyed later in a pivotal battle on DS9. Then again, I've seen EA destroyers take a nuke up the nose point-blank and stay intact. So I wouldn't say Trek ships are tougher. They are, however, contenders. Klingons aren't entirely stupid; they'd be quite happy blasting away with disruptors. "There is no honour in defeat," as was spoken during the Dominion War. However, I'd give the edge here to the automatic PPG rifles that EA gropos carry. They can saw through a bulkhead like nobody's business. This is entirely true. EA couldn't field more than a couple dozen capital ships, in my estimation, whereas Starfleet is hugeous. Throw the might of the Interstellar Alliance behind EA, however, and you're talking a whole different kettle of fish... and if you want, we can do Shadows versus Borg. "No! You can't assimillate that planet!" "Why not?" "Because it's not there any more." [/QUOTE]
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