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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Green Knight" data-source="post: 1282948" data-attributes="member: 2723">Even the big honking ships they miss from time to time, so starfleet weapons aren't THAT precise. Nevermind the tiny and agile Starfuries. And that small firepower adds up to a lot of damage pretty quickly. I remember an ep of B5 when the fighters had the run of the field without fighter opposition and roasted a battle cruiser. But anyway, as fast as Starfleet ships can fire, they can't fire fast enough nor accurately enough to hit so many small, fast-moving targets. And if they're wasting their shots on trying to take down fighters, then that's less shots being targeted at the capital ship. See the point? Also, however much firepower, say, a Sovereign Class can put out, that doesn't compare to what a Warlock can put out. Check it out.  12 Large missile silos 16 Small missile silos 2 Heavy Particle Beam cannons 9 Heavy Pulse Cannon turrets 3 Heavy railgun turrets 4 Medium Pulse Cannon turrets 9 Light Pulse Cannon Turrets 16 short range PP turrets ??? number of various small calibre energy and projective AA placements *  That's not even mentioning the 42 Starfuries that it carries. Nevermind the 80,000 troops aboard. Something tells me those Warlocks carry plenty of boarding pods. Once a couple of those babies latch onto the Enterprise, it's all over.    Nope. Still can't beam through shields. Not even Voyager cheesed past that element of Trek canon.    Which show are you talking about? Star Trek or B5? Because in B5, interception of incoming fire happens all the time. It doesn't happen in Star Trek because everything's focused on shields. Nobody in Star Trek has the point defense systems that Earth Alliance has. Hell, most races in B5 aren't quite as good in that area as Earth Alliance is. Earth Force tech in that field is superior even to Minbari tech in that field. It was Earth Alliance who provided that bit of technology to the contruction of the Interstellar Alliance's Victory Class Destroyers (You know, the Excalibur).    Lot's of missiles in B5, so I doubt they'd be unprepared for any maneuvers a photon torpedo might employ.    I doubt B5 weapons are weak. They've gone toe-to-toe with races that clearly dwarf the Federation (Shadows, Vorlons, etc) and have done pretty well for themselves. So unless someone wants to make the claim that Starfleet can beat the Shadows and/or the Vorlons, then I don't think they're weak.    I remember that episode. The Odyssey was an utter wreck inside of 2 minutes. I have NEVER seen a Galaxy class ship THAT badly damaged so quickly, before. Yeah, it wasn't destroyed, but the ship was practically gutted before the Jem'Hadar kamikazi'd it. Something which they probably only did because it was about to escape through the wormhole. Had they had their way for another minute or so, the Odyssey would've been creamed either way. Even with the worst poundings, Earth Force ships tent to last a little bit longer than that.    Well, the thing with the Phasers is that if you go for the higher powered shots, you get less shots total. For instance, in a Star Trek book I read a while back, Vendetta, you only get like a dozen shots at setting 16. And even then, we're talking phasers. As powerful as the blasts are, we're not talking machine-gun fire, here. Nevermind that ordinary cover doesn't seem to have a problem in stopping your average phaser blast. In which case the Earth Force body armor has a chance of protecting a guy. OTOH, Earth Force has a lot of neat guns with high rates of fire they lug around. And while it's debateable whether those weapons are more powerful or less powerful than phasers, it doesn't really matter since Fed ground troops wear NO protection at all. So they're still just as dead. But with their guns that have a higher rate of fire, the GROPOS will be able to kill a lot more Fed troops than the Fed would be able to kill with their "One Squeeze, One Long Shot" phasers. Especially if the Earth Force body armor can protect them from some of the damage inflicted by phasers.    I never said Earth Force was the size of the Interstellar Alliance. But you're  making the assumption that Interstellar Alliance is the same size as the Federation. It's not. Let me illustrate:  In Star Trek, only about a quarter of the galaxy is explored. Out of that quarter, the Federation makes up one of MANY interstellar nations. It's one of the biggest, certainly, but there're NUMEROUS other nations as big if not bigger than the Federation.  In B5, about 25% of the galaxy is explored. Nearly ALL of that is part of the Interstellar Alliance (Although to be fair, the IA isn't really a government like the Federation).  Earth Alliance is probably, territory-wise, about a third the size of the Federation. But that doesn't mean that their fleet isn't enormous.    Well, considering that every other major power in the Alpha Quadrant got flattened right along with the Federation by the Dominion (Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, Breen, etc), I don't see how anybody can take advantage. But they probably were pretty badly hurt, considering that the Federation nearly lost that war. If they could've thrown more ships into the fight, something tells me they would have.  Damn, now I've got a huge urge to go out and buy all the B5 DVD sets and play the new B5 RPG! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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