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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9742181" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I don't think it does really.</p><p></p><p>I think it shows you can <em>use</em> cultural identity politics intersectionally to encourage groups into a more... clarified... understanding of where they stand. That they can be situationally helpful in forming a unified front on issues, and getting people involved who might otherwise balk at the idea. But I don't think it frames the <em>overall struggle</em> that way at all. It is inevitable that everyone within a revolution/rebellion is, <em>technically</em>, going to be a member of various cultural identity groups, but that doesn't have to be their main motivating factor (it's likely to be part of it, but probably not all of it, and often not a large part). I mean just look at Luthen himself - we know basically nothing about him identity-wise, apart from he was an Imperial soldier at one point. If the frame was as you suggest, we'd know exactly who he was and where he came from and his main motivation would be because he was an X. And Kleya isn't doing what she's doing for cultural identity reasons. It might be "personal", but it's not like "I am an X therefore I must fight" like some of the Ghorms tell each other. "Absolutely screw the Empire for what they did to me/the threat they represent!" is not "cultural identity politics", though it may <em>intersect</em> with them if the Empire harmed you <em>because</em> of your cultural or ethnic identity (c.f. Wookies).</p><p></p><p>I think it was also helpful because the whole Ghorm storyline showed how the Empire didn't actually have any problem with the Ghorms, just they happened to live on a planet the Empire wanted to strip-mine, so it was time to take advantage of existing bigotry and massively amplify it. A lot of modern narratives about identities from fascist or fascist-sympathizer groups centre on "Oh but these are BAD people!" and the Ghorm storyline showed how constructed that sort of narrative is, and disconnected from reality. But also how when that narrative is being pushed, maybe you need to stick together (or arguably, maybe even that won't help you, another valid lesson you could take is "If a fascist government starts talking smack about your ethno-cultural group, get the hell out of dodge!").</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9742181, member: 18"] I don't think it does really. I think it shows you can [I]use[/I] cultural identity politics intersectionally to encourage groups into a more... clarified... understanding of where they stand. That they can be situationally helpful in forming a unified front on issues, and getting people involved who might otherwise balk at the idea. But I don't think it frames the [I]overall struggle[/I] that way at all. It is inevitable that everyone within a revolution/rebellion is, [I]technically[/I], going to be a member of various cultural identity groups, but that doesn't have to be their main motivating factor (it's likely to be part of it, but probably not all of it, and often not a large part). I mean just look at Luthen himself - we know basically nothing about him identity-wise, apart from he was an Imperial soldier at one point. If the frame was as you suggest, we'd know exactly who he was and where he came from and his main motivation would be because he was an X. And Kleya isn't doing what she's doing for cultural identity reasons. It might be "personal", but it's not like "I am an X therefore I must fight" like some of the Ghorms tell each other. "Absolutely screw the Empire for what they did to me/the threat they represent!" is not "cultural identity politics", though it may [I]intersect[/I] with them if the Empire harmed you [I]because[/I] of your cultural or ethnic identity (c.f. Wookies). I think it was also helpful because the whole Ghorm storyline showed how the Empire didn't actually have any problem with the Ghorms, just they happened to live on a planet the Empire wanted to strip-mine, so it was time to take advantage of existing bigotry and massively amplify it. A lot of modern narratives about identities from fascist or fascist-sympathizer groups centre on "Oh but these are BAD people!" and the Ghorm storyline showed how constructed that sort of narrative is, and disconnected from reality. But also how when that narrative is being pushed, maybe you need to stick together (or arguably, maybe even that won't help you, another valid lesson you could take is "If a fascist government starts talking smack about your ethno-cultural group, get the hell out of dodge!"). [/QUOTE]
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