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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Necropolitan" data-source="post: 9742251" data-attributes="member: 6669245">It's not, but feel free to explain how.Luthen and Saw alienated all their allies through unnecessary 'necessary evils' and ended up getting themselves killed because they were convinced that their way was the only way that would work.Their methods were shown to backfire time and again.As mentioned Saw made himself more of a problem for the Rebels than the Empire with his constant thefts from and sabotage of other Rebels and his brutality alienated those who might have otherwise helped the Rebellion.The enemy won't surrender if you'll kill them regardless of whether they surrender or not. Saw murdered surrending Imperials.Attacking civilian targets serves no strategic purpose, immoral, and damages the Rebellion's reputation. Saw targeted civilians for being Imperials regardless of what they'd done or were doing. Heck, he counted being related to an Imperial as being a valid target in his book.Given the option between delivering aid or blowing up an Imperial daycare Saw would choose the latter because his motive was hurting the Empire and vindicating his own beliefs, not helping people.Meanwhile Luthen's paranoia resulted in him murdering people who could have helped the Rebellion with the resulting trail of bodies leading the Empire to his door.He decided Andor was a liability and rather than even attempt to sway him to his side his first move was to murder him. Every time he was finished with a source of information or funding he murdered them.About half of Luthen's plotlines in Andor were him trying to deal with the consquences of his last attempt to avoid dealing with the consquences.Luthen and Saw were used to deconstruct the idea of "Hard Men Making Hard Choices" because them being "Hard Men" meant they were unable to form solid alliances with others and their "Hard Choices" blew up in their faces.</blockquote>

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