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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8817324" data-attributes="member: 4937">Yes, his death was obvious from the time we first met him, but not for the reason you suggest.  They could have killed anyone to how horrible the Empire was.  The point of killing the old guy is that he was a "short timer".  He was about ready to leave.Kino Loy.  I mean that was the central story arc of the episode.  Kino Loy has represented the hard-nosed tough guy that ultimately believes that if you follow the Empire's rules and work within the system, that eventually it's going to work out - at the end of the program or the process or whatever, there will be a just world.   And now that Andor has his respect, because Andor's team is the most productive on the floor, Andor has been working on him this whole episode trying to get him to see that he can't work with the Empire.  And Kino Loy has literally been turning his back on Andor.  But after the death of "the old guy" and learning that the Empire isn't ever going to let anyone out of the prison converts Kino Loy to Cassian's point of view, signified by the fact that Kino answers Cassian's question about how many guards work each floor.  In other words, the room supervisors and other "trusted" prisoners (like the med-techs and other prisoners that work behind the scenes) will now be in on the escape attempt.The prison is a microcosm for the whole galaxy.  The whole point of the prison episodes is to convey that really the whole galaxy is within the prison.  This is done in a lot of subtle ways.It didn't.  It took like 4 minutes.  The rest of the show was devoted to the main plot lines with Deedra and Cassian, which very Star Wars like shows viewpoint characters for both the good guys and the bad guys.   No, it wasn't.   In the last Episode, Deedra defeated her foil in the board room battle and was allowed to begin her war on the Rebels.  Now we are beginning to see the outcome of that war as Deedra wins victories in the field that are leading to her greater and greater prestige "at court".  And we learned something we did not know, that Deedra has got intelligence on Kreeger from an intercepted rebel logistics pilot which means Saw's assessment that Kreeger is "slow and stupid" may get vindicated as Kreeger will be walking into a trap when he attacks the power plants.Possibly.  As I said, Vel is a decent character but she really hasn't deserved screen time in episodes 7,8 and 9.  That's time that should have been invested in other characters or just cut out to preserve pacing.  But the problem might not be too many characters, but the choppy way each story is being told.  It might have been better to just give Mon Mothma a full episode to establish her and then only cut back to her when she's making decisions that impact the rebellion.  I think it was a mistake for example to not show the dinner party that she didn't want to attend, as it would have beautifully tied in to the canon while actually giving her spotlight time and building a meaningful disagreement between herself and her husband (who is currently being played only as a shallow bimbo, which is uninteresting).  I mean, I could get into depth where I think the pacing goes wrong and why, but EnWorld isn't a particularly friendly place to have a conversation about how the artists need to be didactic (probably to make suits happy) is getting in the way of just telling the story.  Point is, I think between the realities of making a professional TV production meaning that your actor contracts will contain clauses insisting on appearing in a certain number of episodes so that they can be billed as a cast member and not a guest star and all the rest of the screen actor's guild boilerplate, combined with producers that demand "relevant" plot lines is interfering with how things are staged.  Right now it's not clear that Syril Karn's story has a payoff.  Just when I think they are going to make him relevant again, they keep subverting my expectations.  If Syril Karn doesn't have a payoff worth the time investment, then I'll agree with you that like Vel his time on stage needed to be cut.   But, on the other hand, he's a fascinating viewpoint character and I think the writers are good enough that if they didn't have a gun for him to fire later on, they wouldn't be showing him to you now.</blockquote>

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