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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 9838641" data-attributes="member: 6799660"><p>I would agree... except. Except that this movie (<em>The Phantom Menace</em> specifically, where the Jedi desert robes were introduced) was in the position of having to sell this new proposed trilogy* as a continuation of the original three movies. A movie trilogy that was at that time very much a completed work, with previous attempts at keeping the momentum going** being relatively moderated successes and over a decade of jokes about how Lucas was going to finish the (supposedly planned all-along) 9-part series 'someday.' There was incentive to prove to people that this was, indeed, Star Wars. </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>*and all other potential accessory media tie-ins, action figures, comic books, Halloween costumes, sleeping bags, lunchboxes, breakfast cereals, happy meal toys...</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>**Ewok and Droid cartoons, made-for-tv movies with Wilford Brimley</em></span></p><p></p><p>Not, I suppose, unlike how all these phase 4+ MCU movies keep referencing back to Infinity War characters and plot points, to make sure you know they are part of the same thing/have the same pedigree (feel free to disagree that they do, but that's the same place the prequels found themselves in when this first one was being designed). </p><p></p><p>So 9-year-old Anakin gets to make C3PO and uses Padme's repair droid R2D2 when he (kids adventure style) gets to fly a star fighter. And there's a <s>landspeeder</s> pod racer race on tatooine. And Obi-wan and Qui-Gon Jinn get to/have to evoke original trilogy Obi-wan and Luke. Not space Shaolin, not other-Kurosawa-reference, not an established Expanded Universe notion or Dark Horse comics depiction of republic jedi -- Luke (either Tatooine Teenager or Emo Logan’s Run mode) and Old Ben (Sand Hermit, since that's all we saw). </p><p></p><p>I mean, obviously it didn't have to happen that way, and they could have coded the jedi as the same old jedi you rooted for last time in some other way. However, I think that if they were going to have the jedi have uniforms at all, it was going to be to our actual former heroes/friends/childhood plastic playmates. </p><p></p><p></p><p>No one forgets. We've had 49 years (22 at the time, I guess, wow) years of fellow nerds and cinema nerds making sure everyone knows that they know that Star Wars was hugely inspired by Kurosawa films (and through him, John Ford westerns), telling Campbell's Heroes' Journey, with a Flash Gordon overlay, and a Dambusters remake at the end. Everyone knows. Even Harrison Ford and your friend that proudly* proclaims that they've never seen a Star Wars movie knows.</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">*for some reason</span></em></p><p></p><p>The issue is that this movie wasn't trying to tie these new* jedi to the work that inspired the original trilogy (nor for derivative work like the EU, comics, etc.). They were trying to tie them to the blessed works themselves -- the things that 90%+ of the audience actually had investment in. </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>*yes, the younger of which is actually the older of the two in the original work. But emotionally tie, not just narratively tie.</em></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 9838641, member: 6799660"] I would agree... except. Except that this movie ([I]The Phantom Menace[/I] specifically, where the Jedi desert robes were introduced) was in the position of having to sell this new proposed trilogy* as a continuation of the original three movies. A movie trilogy that was at that time very much a completed work, with previous attempts at keeping the momentum going** being relatively moderated successes and over a decade of jokes about how Lucas was going to finish the (supposedly planned all-along) 9-part series 'someday.' There was incentive to prove to people that this was, indeed, Star Wars. [SIZE=3][I]*and all other potential accessory media tie-ins, action figures, comic books, Halloween costumes, sleeping bags, lunchboxes, breakfast cereals, happy meal toys... **Ewok and Droid cartoons, made-for-tv movies with Wilford Brimley[/I][/SIZE] Not, I suppose, unlike how all these phase 4+ MCU movies keep referencing back to Infinity War characters and plot points, to make sure you know they are part of the same thing/have the same pedigree (feel free to disagree that they do, but that's the same place the prequels found themselves in when this first one was being designed). So 9-year-old Anakin gets to make C3PO and uses Padme's repair droid R2D2 when he (kids adventure style) gets to fly a star fighter. And there's a [S]landspeeder[/S] pod racer race on tatooine. And Obi-wan and Qui-Gon Jinn get to/have to evoke original trilogy Obi-wan and Luke. Not space Shaolin, not other-Kurosawa-reference, not an established Expanded Universe notion or Dark Horse comics depiction of republic jedi -- Luke (either Tatooine Teenager or Emo Logan’s Run mode) and Old Ben (Sand Hermit, since that's all we saw). I mean, obviously it didn't have to happen that way, and they could have coded the jedi as the same old jedi you rooted for last time in some other way. However, I think that if they were going to have the jedi have uniforms at all, it was going to be to our actual former heroes/friends/childhood plastic playmates. No one forgets. We've had 49 years (22 at the time, I guess, wow) years of fellow nerds and cinema nerds making sure everyone knows that they know that Star Wars was hugely inspired by Kurosawa films (and through him, John Ford westerns), telling Campbell's Heroes' Journey, with a Flash Gordon overlay, and a Dambusters remake at the end. Everyone knows. Even Harrison Ford and your friend that proudly* proclaims that they've never seen a Star Wars movie knows. [I][SIZE=3]*for some reason[/SIZE][/I] The issue is that this movie wasn't trying to tie these new* jedi to the work that inspired the original trilogy (nor for derivative work like the EU, comics, etc.). They were trying to tie them to the blessed works themselves -- the things that 90%+ of the audience actually had investment in. [SIZE=3][I]*yes, the younger of which is actually the older of the two in the original work. But emotionally tie, not just narratively tie.[/I][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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