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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9644547" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Then what, <em>exactly</em>, do you mean was "antagonistic"?</p><p></p><p>Because literally the only two things I've ever seen anyone point to and claim was somehow "mean to Star Wars fans" are:</p><p></p><p>A) The kid who moves the broom with the force. I'm assuming this isn't it, because that is a laughable and ridiculous thing to complain about, let alone find "antagonistic". But when the movie came out people were saying that - by about three months after release anyone who did got roundly mocked/downvoted, but it was a thing, briefly.</p><p></p><p>B) "Luke is a big sad failure" - I mean, not only is that not actually true and a profound misunderstanding of the movie (among other things), but it's clearly something that can only be upsetting if you have a preconceived notion of where Luke "should" be. This is evidently not your objection.</p><p></p><p>(A subset of B is "Luke died!!! Luke isn't allowed to die!!!", which is weird to me because most of the same people were fine with Han dying.)</p><p></p><p>I've seen people claim that Rey not being a Skywalker etc. was in some way trying to cause a problem for Abrams, but given that when it happened, the next director up was Trevorrow, and that Trevorrow's script is just fine with that (the change it makes is to bring back Luke as a kind of Super-Saiyan), that's basically revisionism of the bad kind. I've not seen it suggested that was "anti-fan", I think because an awful lot of fans liked it, because an awful lot of fans have long been bored with Skywalker dynasty stuff (some people were bored with that in the 1990s, even, before the prequels).</p><p></p><p></p><p>I do find it surprising. I can't see any evidence of that at all in TLJ. The closest he comes to a contemporary issue is arms-dealing, and the OT and prequels come that close or closer many times (especially the prequels, where it's basically the plot).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9644547, member: 18"] Then what, [I]exactly[/I], do you mean was "antagonistic"? Because literally the only two things I've ever seen anyone point to and claim was somehow "mean to Star Wars fans" are: A) The kid who moves the broom with the force. I'm assuming this isn't it, because that is a laughable and ridiculous thing to complain about, let alone find "antagonistic". But when the movie came out people were saying that - by about three months after release anyone who did got roundly mocked/downvoted, but it was a thing, briefly. B) "Luke is a big sad failure" - I mean, not only is that not actually true and a profound misunderstanding of the movie (among other things), but it's clearly something that can only be upsetting if you have a preconceived notion of where Luke "should" be. This is evidently not your objection. (A subset of B is "Luke died!!! Luke isn't allowed to die!!!", which is weird to me because most of the same people were fine with Han dying.) I've seen people claim that Rey not being a Skywalker etc. was in some way trying to cause a problem for Abrams, but given that when it happened, the next director up was Trevorrow, and that Trevorrow's script is just fine with that (the change it makes is to bring back Luke as a kind of Super-Saiyan), that's basically revisionism of the bad kind. I've not seen it suggested that was "anti-fan", I think because an awful lot of fans liked it, because an awful lot of fans have long been bored with Skywalker dynasty stuff (some people were bored with that in the 1990s, even, before the prequels). I do find it surprising. I can't see any evidence of that at all in TLJ. The closest he comes to a contemporary issue is arms-dealing, and the OT and prequels come that close or closer many times (especially the prequels, where it's basically the plot). [/QUOTE]
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