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<blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 9644860"><p>To me it read as commentary on the Star Wars franchise. If he hadn't been taking a meat cleaver to aspects of it, then maybe it would have been something. But even if it were the whole "kill it if you have to" just didn't work for me as dialogue. Again, there were some very promising things going on in the scene, but there were also some very odd things that felt like the plot was being directed by Rian's broader ideas </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I could see any number of explanations. But I think having him try to kill his nephew stretches the character too much. By all means give them a falling out over the Dark Side, but this is his Nephew. You get the impression he cares more about Rey than his Sister's son in the movie. It just wasn't handled well in my opinion. There are a lot of 'could haves'. But in the end this part wasn't done well at all IMO</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean it is insulting because it is such an inexplicable turn for the character. It is insulting because the audience has no reason to buy it. No one is saying Luke has to be perfect or a saint. They are saying his optimism and his affection for family are clear established character traits. And I am all for morally gray, but this isn't The Sopranos or Walking Dead. Star Wars is about heroic characters. And of course loads of people have bad ideas, but most people don't try to murder their nephew like an assassin. It is just bad. This isn't a momentary lapse in judgement. If he had done something during Kylo's training that showed Luke wasn't perfect, that would have been fine, and it might have helped explain the fracturing that occurred between them. But they had him genuinely contemplate doing something that about as unforgivable as possible, and all because his nephew might be turning to the Dark Side. His father was a Sith Lord, and yet he believed he could be redeemed. So I just struggle to see how this works in any way with the character at all</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 85555, post: 9644860"] To me it read as commentary on the Star Wars franchise. If he hadn't been taking a meat cleaver to aspects of it, then maybe it would have been something. But even if it were the whole "kill it if you have to" just didn't work for me as dialogue. Again, there were some very promising things going on in the scene, but there were also some very odd things that felt like the plot was being directed by Rian's broader ideas I could see any number of explanations. But I think having him try to kill his nephew stretches the character too much. By all means give them a falling out over the Dark Side, but this is his Nephew. You get the impression he cares more about Rey than his Sister's son in the movie. It just wasn't handled well in my opinion. There are a lot of 'could haves'. But in the end this part wasn't done well at all IMO I mean it is insulting because it is such an inexplicable turn for the character. It is insulting because the audience has no reason to buy it. No one is saying Luke has to be perfect or a saint. They are saying his optimism and his affection for family are clear established character traits. And I am all for morally gray, but this isn't The Sopranos or Walking Dead. Star Wars is about heroic characters. And of course loads of people have bad ideas, but most people don't try to murder their nephew like an assassin. It is just bad. This isn't a momentary lapse in judgement. If he had done something during Kylo's training that showed Luke wasn't perfect, that would have been fine, and it might have helped explain the fracturing that occurred between them. But they had him genuinely contemplate doing something that about as unforgivable as possible, and all because his nephew might be turning to the Dark Side. His father was a Sith Lord, and yet he believed he could be redeemed. So I just struggle to see how this works in any way with the character at all [/QUOTE]
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