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<blockquote data-quote="Bull" data-source="post: 109596" data-attributes="member: 2860">Err, not really a good comparison.&nbsp; Sorry, I'm not a big d20 player to begin with.&nbsp; And $35 - $40 sucks, pricewise.&nbsp; &nbsp; Like I said, WotC is trying real hard to set a certain precedent for pricing their books at those prices, and that really blows.&nbsp; Look at a lot of other game systems out their.&nbsp; They're apologetic when they put a book out at $30.00 (Hackmasters 400+ pages of dense text and Shadowrun's 350+ pages, also fairly dense text, come to mind), and they also see much smaller print runs, as a whole, than the D&amp;D books.&nbsp; Granted, they're not usually hardback, but they are at least like &quot;We wanted to do it cheaper, but paper costs suck.&nbsp; Sorry guys&quot;.&nbsp; WotC tossed out OA and FR within a month of each other, are putting out smaller-than-magazine sized $20+ &quot;key&quot; supplement books every month...&nbsp; Kudo's for them, but that's bloody expensive if you want to &quot;keep current&quot;.The books are decent quality, but they're still heavily overpriced.&nbsp; And this is becoming WotC's standard.&nbsp; And it was asked why sales were poor...&nbsp; That's one reason.&nbsp; I will most likely buy the new SW d20 book, if I have the extra cash lying around, since we play it.&nbsp; But if the book had been $25 or even $30, I'd definately already own it.&nbsp; At $40 and $35, I will never own the FR or OA books.&nbsp; I had a low interest in either of these initially, but the price puts them beyond the realm of a casual purchase.And in the gaming industry, you can't afford to lose the &quot;Casual audience&quot;, and SW did.&nbsp; I know a lot of gamers, most of them very hard core SW fans...&nbsp; And noon of them ever said &quot;Id buy the SW D20 book, but Ep 1 sucked&quot;.&nbsp; Not a one has ever said &quot;I'd buy it, but the rules suck.&quot;&nbsp; A couple HAVE said that they didn't want it because they like the WEG version and don't feel the need to switch systems.&nbsp; But most that do not have it have said they won't buy it because of the price.&nbsp; And along those same lines, price is why there is only one FR and one OA book being shared among 3 GMs among various groups and why no one has the Manual of the Planes.&nbsp; MotP has no direct value to our games, so it's unnecessary, and FR/OA are too expensive to purchase multiple copies of.Bull</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bull, post: 109596, member: 2860"] Err, not really a good comparison. Sorry, I'm not a big d20 player to begin with. And $35 - $40 sucks, pricewise. Like I said, WotC is trying real hard to set a certain precedent for pricing their books at those prices, and that really blows. Look at a lot of other game systems out their. They're apologetic when they put a book out at $30.00 (Hackmasters 400+ pages of dense text and Shadowrun's 350+ pages, also fairly dense text, come to mind), and they also see much smaller print runs, as a whole, than the D&D books. Granted, they're not usually hardback, but they are at least like "We wanted to do it cheaper, but paper costs suck. Sorry guys". WotC tossed out OA and FR within a month of each other, are putting out smaller-than-magazine sized $20+ "key" supplement books every month... Kudo's for them, but that's bloody expensive if you want to "keep current". The books are decent quality, but they're still heavily overpriced. And this is becoming WotC's standard. And it was asked why sales were poor... That's one reason. I will most likely buy the new SW d20 book, if I have the extra cash lying around, since we play it. But if the book had been $25 or even $30, I'd definately already own it. At $40 and $35, I will never own the FR or OA books. I had a low interest in either of these initially, but the price puts them beyond the realm of a casual purchase. And in the gaming industry, you can't afford to lose the "Casual audience", and SW did. I know a [b]lot[/b] of gamers, most of them very hard core SW fans... And noon of them ever said "Id buy the SW D20 book, but Ep 1 sucked". Not a one has ever said "I'd buy it, but the rules suck." A couple [b]HAVE[/b] said that they didn't want it because they like the WEG version and don't feel the need to switch systems. But most that do not have it have said they won't buy it because of the price. And along those same lines, price is why there is only one FR and one OA book being shared among 3 GMs among various groups and why no one has the Manual of the Planes. MotP has no direct value to our games, so it's unnecessary, and FR/OA are too expensive to purchase multiple copies of. Bull [/QUOTE]

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