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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ValhallaGH" data-source="post: 5134117" data-attributes="member: 41187">I can completely understand being underwhelmed with the Saga combat manuevers.  Most require a (hefty) feat investment, and still aren't worth the action expenditure.  (Except for Bantha Rush; a free action after a successful attack to move the target 1 square in any direction, including off a ledge, is pretty sweet.  A lesser version needs to exist for those without the feat, though.)The good news is that Pathfinder-style CMD is easy to incorporate: Fortitude Defense or Damage Threshold (to include sizes).  Characters make an attack roll against the defense and you move on.  Then the relevant feats can allow you to do the maneuver and deal damage.That should do most of what you need.  Rewrite the maneuvers to be useful enough to use, and Bob's your uncle.Good luck.</blockquote>