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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nerfherder" data-source="post: 3427857" data-attributes="member: 18305">I also noticed in the description of the Force Talents that reference is made to Will Defence rather than a Will Save.  The implication of this and the fact that they are listed as DCs is that the "offensive" player makes the roll rather than the "defending" one - just like when making an attack.So, instead of the current situation where a player rolls for his character to hit an opponent's AC and the opponent rolls a Will save to avoid the effects of a Force Haze the player will roll on both occasions, attempting to overcome the Reflex Defense and the Will Defense.I agree.  I think I'll port this directly over to my D&D game.  It will reduce the difference in survivability between 1st and 3rd level enormously.I wonder how armour will work.  I can't see it adding to the Reflex Defense, so I guess it may add to the Threshold.</blockquote>