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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Donovan Morningfire" data-source="post: 3575807" data-attributes="member: 39532">Closest thing I see to a "short end" is the Scoundrel, who were the skill masters but now have fewer trained skills, and are still tied for worst hit die with the Noble.  At least their Reflex Defense is still decent, but the Scout ties with them there as well, and has better hit dice and more trained skills.Jedi and Soldier might look like it based on their skills vs. the others, but they make up for it with the biggest hit die per level and best BAB progression.Also, Jedi characters really only need one skill, Use the Force, to do their thing, and can select talents to enable them to use that one skill in place of several other skills (such as Initiative, Perception, Persuasion, Pilot).  And since most PC Jedis are going to take Skill Focus (Use the Force), that one skill becomes pretty darn potent, especially once Force Powers are factored in to it.  Heck, Force Lightning is by far the deadliest power in the game so far, hitting with the force of a thermal detonator, automatically moving you down one step on the condition track if it hits, and causing you to suffer half damage if it misses.Soldiers also get a plethora of bonus feats to start with, as well as having the most robust selection of bonus class feats in the game (pretty much every combat feat out there).</blockquote>