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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 3577190" data-attributes="member: 8158">This is the same obligatory commentary we see in any such discussion. Though it's kind of a jejune sentiment, sometimes it has value and sometimes it doesn't. This is the latter, because it's not a matter of "eyeballing" some elusive abstraction. The discrepencies we're talking about are straightforward quantifiables, and measuring how they balance out isn't all that tricky. Not only is it in fact possible to discuss and analyze data without implementing it, but heck, sometimes it's even a good idea.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> And the number of people adept at doing so is in excess of "almost nobody". This isn't rocket science, or rocket art for that matter."Seeing how it plays" is not going to reveal that the scoundrel's ratio of quantifiable bonuses (skills, hit dice, BAB) aren't any different than what they appear to be in the book. Moreover, playing it "awhile" just amounts to dismissing an objective analysis for a subjective one that's diluted by external factors. A scoundrel PC might limp along for the entire campaign, and he might be the star of the game, and either way neither are likely to cause the universe to implode, but all that could be said of a commoner PC in D&D. But that doesn't make the commoner a well-designed, well-balanced addition to a party.No, if analyzing the class without playing it is no good for you--if it MUST be played in order to draw any conclusions--well then, it must be played more than "awhile". It's got to played exhaustively by a diverse group of players testing a vast array of different scoundrel builds for at least several years. Only then can you have a satisfactory conclusion. Let us know how it works out. My bet is that everyone who thought the class got a bum deal before playing it will have their opinions reinforced, while those who thought the other guys were a bunch of Chicken Littles will wind up satisfied that their assessments were confirmed.</blockquote>

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