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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Morrus" data-source="post: 7689509" data-attributes="member: 1">I think you guys were watching a different movie to me! She crashed the Falcon several times, she got her ass utterly kicked by Kylo Ren once, and in her second fight with him was pretty much desperately staggering back trying to survive until the last bit where she used the Force. I don't think she's as super-competent as folks are saying, though she clearly has an advantage by virtue of being strong in the Force (like Luke and Anakin were natural super-pilots, etc.)Nah, she wasn't a Mary Sue.  She competent, and a Force user. In other words, a real female protagonist. Kylo  was a stroke of genius. Trying to make him into a super villain like Dart Vader - the greatest movie villain ever to exist - would have instantly doomed the film to failure. There is no way to win that comparison, and even if you managed it, you'd be accused of simply copying.  So they did the right thing - they took a completely different route.  The fact that he's not as awesome as Vader is built-in to his character and drives his flaws. It makes him interesting.Kylo Ren is Luke from the original trilogy, not Vader. The role is reversed - he's learning the dark side and trying to resist the light, unlike Luke whose arc was learning the light said and trying to resist the dark. Vader is the wrong comparison in terms of both ability and story role.  This is the story of an evil Luke, not a second Vader.</blockquote>

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