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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7690377" data-attributes="member: 6704184">also note that Rey barely pushed back the mind probe and couldn't keep it going when Kylo Ren decided he'd had enough, all of which was after he probed the crap out of her mind while she tried to stop it, failed at first to mind trick the Daniel Craig the stormtrooper and only succeeded after an obvious moment of frustration and then focus, and then didn't use the force again until another moment of desperation and then only because Ren unwittingly reminded her that she could, using it to empower her strikes and still barely overpower the already near death and exhausted Kylo Ren. At not point was any of it done with finesse, or skill, or any obvious competence. She used the Force equivelent of raw muscle power, combined with luck and good timing. You know, like Luke being able to guide a flying torpedo while piloting into a hole he could probably barely see in the midst of his first ever space battle, after learning only...a week before, that he could use the force, and having learned literally nothing about moving things with it?Or how Luke spent a hella short time on Degobah, ate a few Yoda meals and did a couple X-Wing dead lifts and all of a sudden he's gone from noob who can barely survive a remote to fairly skilled swordsman, reaching out with his feelings, force jumping, and holding his own for surprisingly long against the galaxy's biggest badass since...idk, probably a character that doesn't exist anymore? And intuits that he can telepathically reach out to Leia, apparently extrapolating from his interaction with Ben's force ghost? I mean, at what point does Rey do anything as jarringly beyond her experience as half of what Luke does? Hell, he's a farmboy. A level 1 character, full stop. Rey is clearly already a couple/few levels in when the movie starts. IT would be absurd if she wasn't competent from the third dot on the ellipses.</blockquote>

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