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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9370905" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I think you're going to be so insulting to pretty successful and decent writers as to call them not even "A, B or C team", you absolutely need to stand up and admit what your specific preferences are, and explain that position, because it's a quite a thing to say.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Come on dude, don't make this about you being an "UwU smol bean" or something. That's absolutely "toxic" behaviour - you're just making it true! If you take a giant crap on people, you can be asked why you're doing that. Period. I've been asked it before, and rightly so when I've been being harsh!</p><p></p><p>But credit to you, you have responded to most of the points. I don't disagree with all of what you're saying either. I mean, let's be clear - if you want to know what "A-team" writing actually looks like, that's Andor. That is inarguably, objectively, factually, Hollywood's A-team there. Tony Gilroy is ultra-experienced writer, who has won Oscars, and who is brought in to fix other people's screwed-up projects (including Rogue One).</p><p></p><p>So you throw around "A, B and C teams", and that's way A-team looks like and you still don't like it.</p><p></p><p>And that's okay, but we've got to be real - it really looks like you just don't like live action SW, with only a little allowance for whether it's good or bad. Which is fine, but means you shouldn't be taking a crap on the writers like that. Because the main issue you have isn't with them. That's clear when you saying 66% of Andor was bad/mid - it simply isn't - it's slow-paced but it's vital to how the show works, and lot of it was pretty amazing as character studies/studies on the rise of fascism, etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p>100% agree!</p><p></p><p>I just watched the rest of Ahsoka and oof.</p><p></p><p>The critique I would add is that whilst Dawson is spot-on for Ahsoka (and even her costumes make her look "Ahsoka-shaped", which is a real achievement in costuming), she's essentially doing an "Ahsoka impression" - indeed all of the actors who are playing characters from Rebels are doing impressions of those characters. This thus isn't down to the actors choosing that, but the showrunner (Filoni) making them take that approach. And Dawson's impression of animated Ahsoka is good that it actually it goes into a kind of reverse uncanny valley, where it's distracting and offputting because I keep basically seeing animated Ahsoka - she has all the body and face language and little things animated Ahsoka does down perfectly.</p><p></p><p>It's a show where for real 60% of it could have been cut and it would have been a better show if they did.</p><p></p><p>It would also have been a better show if it was animated. Filoni is simply showing he is not cutting it showrunning live-action at remotely the level he was managing to showrun animated shows. Rebels was great as you say. But with Rebels you make allowances for stuff because it's show for kids/teens and animated - and the same allowances don't apply for a live-action show, so you have really stupid-seeming and drawn out scenes a lot of the time. Filoni is too self-indulgent, frankly. He needs to be answering to someone else. He need criticism. Favreau suffers from the same issues. They'd probably do a much better job with some actual pressure on them.</p><p></p><p>What you didn't answer though was games and movies. I'm not demanding you do, this is enough of answer, but I think it would be helpful if, in future, you suggest you don't just generally dislike live-action SW, you listed some movies which were good, because you only seemed to list ones you didn't like.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The only person who can gotcha you, is you.</p><p></p><p>I wanted to pull out your specific position re: writing, and to me it looks like you don't really appreciate good writing very much, and dislike live action shows. That's fine, as I said, but you should refrain from wildly insulting the writers unless your critiques are more specific. And the idea that Leslye Headland of all people "isn't even C-team" remains laughable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9370905, member: 18"] I think you're going to be so insulting to pretty successful and decent writers as to call them not even "A, B or C team", you absolutely need to stand up and admit what your specific preferences are, and explain that position, because it's a quite a thing to say. Come on dude, don't make this about you being an "UwU smol bean" or something. That's absolutely "toxic" behaviour - you're just making it true! If you take a giant crap on people, you can be asked why you're doing that. Period. I've been asked it before, and rightly so when I've been being harsh! But credit to you, you have responded to most of the points. I don't disagree with all of what you're saying either. I mean, let's be clear - if you want to know what "A-team" writing actually looks like, that's Andor. That is inarguably, objectively, factually, Hollywood's A-team there. Tony Gilroy is ultra-experienced writer, who has won Oscars, and who is brought in to fix other people's screwed-up projects (including Rogue One). So you throw around "A, B and C teams", and that's way A-team looks like and you still don't like it. And that's okay, but we've got to be real - it really looks like you just don't like live action SW, with only a little allowance for whether it's good or bad. Which is fine, but means you shouldn't be taking a crap on the writers like that. Because the main issue you have isn't with them. That's clear when you saying 66% of Andor was bad/mid - it simply isn't - it's slow-paced but it's vital to how the show works, and lot of it was pretty amazing as character studies/studies on the rise of fascism, etc. 100% agree! I just watched the rest of Ahsoka and oof. The critique I would add is that whilst Dawson is spot-on for Ahsoka (and even her costumes make her look "Ahsoka-shaped", which is a real achievement in costuming), she's essentially doing an "Ahsoka impression" - indeed all of the actors who are playing characters from Rebels are doing impressions of those characters. This thus isn't down to the actors choosing that, but the showrunner (Filoni) making them take that approach. And Dawson's impression of animated Ahsoka is good that it actually it goes into a kind of reverse uncanny valley, where it's distracting and offputting because I keep basically seeing animated Ahsoka - she has all the body and face language and little things animated Ahsoka does down perfectly. It's a show where for real 60% of it could have been cut and it would have been a better show if they did. It would also have been a better show if it was animated. Filoni is simply showing he is not cutting it showrunning live-action at remotely the level he was managing to showrun animated shows. Rebels was great as you say. But with Rebels you make allowances for stuff because it's show for kids/teens and animated - and the same allowances don't apply for a live-action show, so you have really stupid-seeming and drawn out scenes a lot of the time. Filoni is too self-indulgent, frankly. He needs to be answering to someone else. He need criticism. Favreau suffers from the same issues. They'd probably do a much better job with some actual pressure on them. What you didn't answer though was games and movies. I'm not demanding you do, this is enough of answer, but I think it would be helpful if, in future, you suggest you don't just generally dislike live-action SW, you listed some movies which were good, because you only seemed to list ones you didn't like. The only person who can gotcha you, is you. I wanted to pull out your specific position re: writing, and to me it looks like you don't really appreciate good writing very much, and dislike live action shows. That's fine, as I said, but you should refrain from wildly insulting the writers unless your critiques are more specific. And the idea that Leslye Headland of all people "isn't even C-team" remains laughable. [/QUOTE]
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