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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 9380946">I think a lot of people have bifurcated the fandom into camps oriented around culture war issues. Personally I tried to engage the new movies on their own terms. For example when the first film came out, I loved Rey, didn't see her as a mary sue at all (and being a fan of wuxia films, which often feature strong female action heroes, I feel the term Mary Sue really gets overused anyways). I thought things were off to a promising start. When The Last Jedi Came out and things really got emotional I waited over six months to watch it, probably closer to a year, so my opinion wouldn't be shaded by everything I was hearing online (that is one of the first movies I remember as part of this modern trend where the critics loved it but a large contingent of fans didn't (and looking up the present RT score it is like 91% to 41% still). I found as a result my opinion was a little off from most people I knew. I thought it was one of the most visually stunning films in the franchise (but visually true to the look go the series). I loved Rose Tico (who was often one of the more criticized characters) and I liked the love story between her and Finn. I was less enthusiastic about Luke's dark turn but I liked what they did with Rey. I thought it did a real disservice to HUx, for the sake of humor (and possibly of making apolitical point). He was one of the more terrifying villains I had seen in the series, and not even a Jedi. I found him interesting in the first film, but he was just corny in this one. Killing Snoke didn't bother me but some of the dialogue in that scene felt like the screen writer talking through the character if that makes sense. Overall I found it an entertaining film but I think it created a problem for the trilogy by not serving as a good middle film (it didn't leave me as a viewer desperate to find out what happens in the third movie, I wasn't even particularly sure where the momentum of the trilogy was heading towards at the end). The third movie, initially I kind of liked but it was similar to how I kind of liked the first prequel movie (it was more me being hopeful than the movie being good). The final battle is awful in every possible sense (and this was even undeniable on a first viewing). Visually it was ugly (overall I found the third movie the least interesting visually). The battle made no logical sense (I think Ryan Johnson, while I might quibble about some of the decisions with the battles, created a stronger sense of consistency than Abrahms did in the third movie). The third film kept doing things then taking them back. When they 'killed' Chewbacca that was an impactful scene for Rey, but they took it away seconds later. The whole thing with Palpatine was confusing and weird and took away from the earlier movies. The third film was just bad. I think the biggest problem with the trilogy is it didn't feel well planned, they essentially pitted two directors against each other so neither was able to commit to anything they started in a meaningful way (for example the third movie drops the Rose Tico and Finn love story---which honestly was probably a purely political move due to appealing to all possible international markets---and all the threads established in the first movie were cut by the second). My options are just that, my options. I don't expect everyone to share them. But I think it is weird we are in a place where people get labeled politically or people are at the point of not wanting to talk to one another because of how they feel about a star wars movie. Some instances I am sure are people being jerks. I am sure there are occasional instances or people having their views driven by their politics, but I think on the whole people like something or they don't and the reasons are pretty subjective and personal. I think both Disney and the people who are building a cottage industry around being anti-Disney, are just driving division and making it impossible for fans to have honest conversations with one another about how they feel about this stuff. When it comes to this show, I think it is at the pinnacle of what I am talking about. There is no in between for most people. You are either for the movie or against it. I haven't seen it, so I don't know if it is good or bad. The negativity coming from the poeople making it and the negativity coming from the people dead set against it, both are creating an environment where any enjoyment I might get from watching it and discussing it, just doesn't seem possible. Again one of the reasons I don't watch a lot of new show and movies is there isnt' really a healthy conversation to be had like there used to be. People want to turn one another into heroes of villains based on whether they like this show, like this character, hate this show or hate that character. And it is always done in the most point scoring and existential terms. If people like a show they should be able to say so without fear of being labeled something. If they hate a show they should be able to say so without fear of being labeled something.</blockquote>

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