Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9389240" data-attributes="member: 18">I always find this interesting, because I was born in 1978, so watched all the SW movies as a relatively small child, and again a young teen, and so on, and that was never how I felt about the Jedi. That was never the vibe I got from them. Perhaps because I was fascinated that this Darth Vader guy used to be one of them, and he was a Very Bad Man.But a lot of people clearly did get the vibe you did! So I don't know what the difference was. I think I watched the movies fewer times than a lot of people, and a lot of the SF/fantasy I was exposed to growing up was somewhat grey (I mean, I'd consider Dr Who somewhat grey, especially prior to nuWho), especially the stuff that didn't seem to insult my intelligence even as a child (Buck Rogers, for example, I genuinely felt insulted and a bit bored by, even aged 8). And I didn't see the police or the military or the church as "good guys" - which a combination of upbringing, media exposure and experience - I saw The Untouchables aged about 10 - it scarred me for life lol - and I got that Elliott Ness was not actually a good person, just a very brave thug working for the government, for example. I wonder if all that together is what made it tremendously easy for me to accept that the Jedi were "not great" in the past.Nah.You're putting the cart before the horse.Linear time exists.It's just misplaced anger that should have been directed at Lucas if fans were going to be mad at anyone. Disney didn't "double down" on the Jedi being stupid, and didn't even reprise the idea (which is different to doubling down, which would require saying they were extra-stupid). Lucas had absolutely clearly established the Jedi were idiots as a group in the PT, and Filoni had been over the same territory and nuanced it a lot whilst strongly maintaining the idea that, at best, the Jedi were a bunch of dupes with too-limited minds and overly restrictive ideas about behaviour and who should be allowed to wield the force.People blaming Disney for that are just not follow the facts.Legends was never nuanced and it's bizarre to call it that. Rather it was confused and messy because different writers had different ideas. Some writers even then were writing about the Jedi being dumb/bad (even before the PT), others were basically trying to make Luke in an actual saint (but also a James Bond-esque sexyman figure).</blockquote>

Verification