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<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 9389253" data-attributes="member: 54629"><p>Ah yes. Vader's deathbed redemption is something that has never sat well with me. He should not be able to get off killing so many innocents that easily!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, more non-Jedi/Sith Force users would be nice.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I was born in 1981, so not long after you. I'm not sure how I came to see it so differently.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I also saw <em>The Untouchables </em>around that age but I have to admit I don't remember it all that well, so I guess it didn't scar me for life!</p><p></p><p></p><p>I say that Disney doubled down on Lucas' choices with respect to how they've portrayed Luke. In the sequel trilogy, they made him a failure living as a hermit. In <em>The Mandalorian</em>, they portrayed him as repeating the same mistakes as his predecessors, instead of being the more progressive Jedi he was portrayed as in the EU. Of course, the EU also doomed his New Jedi Order, but at least it let them survive for a bit longer than Disney has.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. Now the whole child soldier thing - I see that as a tragedy brought on by Sith manipulation. But having the Jedi Order insist on taking children before they get too emotionally attached - yeah, that's problematic. And it didn't have to be! That's entirely on Lucas.</p><p></p><p>One of my biggest arguments against the prequels back in the day was that I didn't <em>want </em>to know exactly how Anakin / the Jedi Order / the Old Republic fell. I wanted it left to my imagination. I still kinda feel that way, but time and age have softened my stance there, I guess. I can watch <em>Revenge of the Sith </em>and enjoy it for what it is, for instance. And I did enjoy <em>The Clone Wars </em>and <em>The Bad Batch</em>.</p><p></p><p>I can also watch the sequels and enjoy them on their own terms. What <em>I </em>don't like about the sequels is how the OT heroes are all portrayed as failures and everything they worked so hard to accomplish is either already in ruins or is ruined/undone over the course of the trilogy. It didn't have to be that way. They could have been portrayed as elder statesmen willingly passing on their torches to the younger generation instead of washed-up has-beens from whom the younger folks have to pick up the pieces to reassemble the puzzle they dropped.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll circle back round to <em>The Acolyte</em>. Again, I find it refreshing that it's <em>not </em>a Skywalker story, even if I don't like how the Jedi Order is being portrayed here. I just want to see the Jedi portrayed as "good guys", though. Is that really too much to ask?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 9389253, member: 54629"] Ah yes. Vader's deathbed redemption is something that has never sat well with me. He should not be able to get off killing so many innocents that easily! Yes, more non-Jedi/Sith Force users would be nice. I was born in 1981, so not long after you. I'm not sure how I came to see it so differently. I also saw [I]The Untouchables [/I]around that age but I have to admit I don't remember it all that well, so I guess it didn't scar me for life! I say that Disney doubled down on Lucas' choices with respect to how they've portrayed Luke. In the sequel trilogy, they made him a failure living as a hermit. In [I]The Mandalorian[/I], they portrayed him as repeating the same mistakes as his predecessors, instead of being the more progressive Jedi he was portrayed as in the EU. Of course, the EU also doomed his New Jedi Order, but at least it let them survive for a bit longer than Disney has. Agreed. Now the whole child soldier thing - I see that as a tragedy brought on by Sith manipulation. But having the Jedi Order insist on taking children before they get too emotionally attached - yeah, that's problematic. And it didn't have to be! That's entirely on Lucas. One of my biggest arguments against the prequels back in the day was that I didn't [I]want [/I]to know exactly how Anakin / the Jedi Order / the Old Republic fell. I wanted it left to my imagination. I still kinda feel that way, but time and age have softened my stance there, I guess. I can watch [I]Revenge of the Sith [/I]and enjoy it for what it is, for instance. And I did enjoy [I]The Clone Wars [/I]and [I]The Bad Batch[/I]. I can also watch the sequels and enjoy them on their own terms. What [I]I [/I]don't like about the sequels is how the OT heroes are all portrayed as failures and everything they worked so hard to accomplish is either already in ruins or is ruined/undone over the course of the trilogy. It didn't have to be that way. They could have been portrayed as elder statesmen willingly passing on their torches to the younger generation instead of washed-up has-beens from whom the younger folks have to pick up the pieces to reassemble the puzzle they dropped. Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll circle back round to [I]The Acolyte[/I]. Again, I find it refreshing that it's [I]not [/I]a Skywalker story, even if I don't like how the Jedi Order is being portrayed here. I just want to see the Jedi portrayed as "good guys", though. Is that really too much to ask? [/QUOTE]
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