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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9405792" data-attributes="member: 18">Yeah it's bizarre to call the Jedi incompetent. These Jedi absolutely are competent. The issues are with their behaviour, not with their competence. Sol is a perfect example of this. He manages to track two people to a fortress without being detected, scale the extremely steep, even sheer rockface and side of the fortress, sneak around inside the fortress extensively and listen in on a conversation, and even when they do seem to detect him, he's able to get away without actually spotted or pursued ("Guess it was just the wind").But the reason he did that was because he's a weird guy, and being a Jedi has clearly not caused him to not be a weird guy.Yeah this is a major issue people keep overlooking.The only real qualifications the Jedi as a whole have are:A) Tradition - I mean, they have managed to keep this going for thousands of years without previously being disgraced or wiped out.B) Magic powerz - Pretty much no-one else is able to reliably come up with wild magical powers that allow the Jedi to deal with situations that would otherwise be extremely hard to handle, and combined with the their lightsabers, make them an insane force-multiplier (in the military sense of force), capable of defeating large armoured vehicles, dozens of blaster-armed enemies, and so on (they also tend to win space battles because of the Force precog effect, so every one of them is potentially an "ace" pilot compared to a normal non-Jedi pilot).Unfortunately these two factors have come together in a sort of toxic way where the Jedi are indeed getting used for roles they are wholly unsuitable for, at least by the High Republic and Clone Wars eras.Hell, because of the nature of their religion, they don't even seem to be good at stuff you can usually trust priests of a big organised religion to be good at, like intrigue (whether stopping it or doing it)!Seems harsh to me. It's already well above Obi Wan and Ahsoka imo, in that it's actually telling an interesting story.</blockquote>

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