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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9441413" data-attributes="member: 18">Sure, but it's the same deal either way.Also, somehow basically everyone who knew much about SW knew about the Sith and they featured a ton in the pre-PT EU. I presume this is because of stuff like the 1976 novelization of SW, which mentioned them (and it presumably got them from earlier drafts of the SW script). And yes that's not a typo, it was released before A New Hope! And in the 1990s they were huge in the SW comics.The real nailing down of what the Sith beyond "evil Force-users" were was largely down to the PT and KotOR though.Yeah I agree and this was a fairly common understanding of the Jedi prior to the PT, you can particularly see this in "imitation Jedi" in other SF (including several TT RPGs), where they very much tend to lean into "wandering ronin/knights errant"-type vibes (albeit usually very much good guys). However I would push back slightly on the Knights/Order distinction - that wasn't really more than semantics until The Phantom Menace came out.Lucas' own vision in 1977 was apparently that there were "hundreds of thousands" of Jedi prior to being purged (it's on Wookiepedia and cited there), though, so it's not true that the PT made them seem bigger and more in need of a real plan to eliminate. On the contrary the PT actually made the Jedi Order a lot smaller than original envisioned!</blockquote>