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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ColonelHardisson" data-source="post: 5424112" data-attributes="member: 363">I'm a 4e fan, but it's simply untrue that "no one" likes 1e/2e (and I suppose OD&D) anymore. Plenty of people still play those editions. There are entire communities online devoted to discussing those games. Just because they don't have the numbers of players as, say, 4e (and whether 4e has the numbers as, say, 3e, or even older editions, is debatable) doesn't mean they're not good or that nobody likes them - I like watching boxing, even if MMA has come to eclipse it in popularity. Is boxing somehow inferior to MMA because of that? That would be a silly argument for me to try to make (and I wouldn't try to make it; I think boxing is better <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ).As for "balance," I like how 4e balanced the classes and races. That doesn't mean that such balance makes for an inherently better gaming experience. D&D hit the height of its popularity right when it was as unbalanced as it ever would be, and it's arguable that those numbers were recovered with the advent of 3e. At the least, D&D is nowhere near the cultural phenomenon it was back then - I know, because I was playing during that era, and there is nowhere near the excitement now amongst players, non-players, and the media over the game, of any edition, as there was then. Doesn't mean 4e is not a good game, just as "balance" doesn't mean it's a better game somehow. I mean, sometimes the lack of balance is what makes the game enjoyable, by giving it a flavor of its own - Ars Magica is an example, HackMaster another. A lot of players still like how the wizard/magic-user of older editions became the most powerful class at higher levels (it's not my preference, but I can understand why some like it). Besides, just because something is the flavor du jour doesn't mean everything that came before is somehow deficient. In the end, it's whether a game is enjoyable to play that makes it "superior," which is a word I would hesitate to use for something as subjective as a game.And "led" is the past tense of "lead." One of my pet peeves.</blockquote>

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