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<blockquote data-quote="Immortal Sun" data-source="post: 7554746">Hair-splitting.&nbsp; My point was that transhumanism aims to keep positive traits while moving away from negative ones.&nbsp; No, no it really isn't.&nbsp; There's plenty of transhumanist sci-fi that maintains the ideology that technology will improve the human condition.&nbsp; Star Trek for example, is transhumanist in many regards.&nbsp; Advancements in science and technology have largely allowed humanity to move away from their more &quot;base&quot; instincts into more higher-minded ways of life.Cyberpunk is its own sci-fi sub-genre.&nbsp; And probably a more popular one.The answer to this question depends on if you want sci-fi(hard science fiction), sy-fi, sci-fy or sy-fy(strong &quot;science&quot; fantasy).&nbsp; Pathfinder/D&amp;D is pure fantasy.&nbsp; Including Psionics or Starjammer makes it sy-fy.&nbsp; Sy-Fy differs notably because almost all of the science is hand-waived away in favor of creating a fantasy narrative.&nbsp; Sy-fiction does the same handwaiving when it comes to &quot;science&quot; but aims for a more believable &quot;fiction&quot; reality, usually in the very near future where *something something science* has created a dramatic change in the way humans live, but much of life is fundamentally the same.Sci-Fy pays attention to the science, but aims for more fantastical results (Shadowrun is a good example), the science matters, but the result of the science is still fantasy.That tends to be covered under the cyberpunk header.&nbsp; Technology, and the best laid plans of mice and men are in a cyberpunk approach, almost always going to go astray.IMO, in a hard sci-fi setting, the question is one of resources.&nbsp; You need a digital network capable of supporting a human mind, and then robot shells capable of being controled remotely.&nbsp; It's believable sci-fi assuming you set up the technology to be available.If you're going to magic your way to the answer, then that's sy-fy, not sci-fi.All I'm saying is you need to determine your approach before you can determine what you're including.&nbsp; Do people need high-tech gizmos and cool tech to accomplish this?&nbsp; Or do they need a magic spell?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Immortal Sun, post: 7554746"] Hair-splitting. My point was that transhumanism aims to keep positive traits while moving away from negative ones. No, no it really isn't. There's plenty of transhumanist sci-fi that maintains the ideology that technology will improve the human condition. Star Trek for example, is transhumanist in many regards. Advancements in science and technology have largely allowed humanity to move away from their more "base" instincts into more higher-minded ways of life. Cyberpunk is its own sci-fi sub-genre. And probably a more popular one. The answer to this question depends on if you want sci-fi(hard science fiction), sy-fi, sci-fy or sy-fy(strong "science" fantasy). Pathfinder/D&D is pure fantasy. Including Psionics or Starjammer makes it sy-fy. Sy-Fy differs notably because almost all of the science is hand-waived away in favor of creating a fantasy narrative. Sy-fiction does the same handwaiving when it comes to "science" but aims for a more believable "fiction" reality, usually in the very near future where *something something science* has created a dramatic change in the way humans live, but much of life is fundamentally the same. Sci-Fy pays attention to the science, but aims for more fantastical results (Shadowrun is a good example), the science matters, but the result of the science is still [I]fantasy[/I]. That tends to be covered under the cyberpunk header. Technology, and the best laid plans of mice and men are in a cyberpunk approach, almost always going to go astray. IMO, in a hard sci-fi setting, the question is one of resources. You need a digital network capable of supporting a human mind, and then robot shells capable of being controled remotely. It's believable sci-fi assuming you set up the technology to be available. If you're going to magic your way to the answer, then that's sy-fy, not sci-fi. All I'm saying is you need to determine your approach before you can determine what you're including. Do people need high-tech gizmos and cool tech to accomplish this? Or do they need a magic spell? [/QUOTE]

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