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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drothgery" data-source="post: 4468703" data-attributes="member: 360">Well, what would it take for a 3 levels of 'real' 4e (with character creation).Start with the 320 page PHB.how to play - unchangedmaking characters - -2 pages (eliminate alternate character creation methods, any mention of classes or races not in the book, or higher-level play, cut deity list)Races -8 pages; cut races to human, elf, dwarf, and halfling.Classes -149 pages; cut classes to cleric, fighter, rogue, and wizard, and eliminate powers beyond 3rd level (it looks like if you cut the half-page opening picture you can cut classes to five pages using basically the same format). Also cut everything on paragon paths and epic destinies.Skills - unchangedFeats - -10 pages; eliminate all paragon and epic tier feats, racial feats that apply to omitted races or classes, multiclass feats, channel divinity feats for omitted deitiesEquipment - -20 pages; eliminate level 6+ items, vastly reduce set of available items, eliminate some equipmentAdventuring - unchangedCombat - unchangedRituals - -10 pages; eliminate all level 4+ ritualsEliminate playtester credits, ads- -2 pagesThat gives you 120 pages; probably blow that up to 128 (you'll need some monsters and DM advice, and you've got 32-page bundles anyway).</blockquote>