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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6317623" data-attributes="member: 5143">The problem with the 5MWD was that PCs were stopping long before they got to low hitpoints.  They were stopping simply because a couple of high level spells were gone.  I can tell you that the problem I experienced had nothing to do with hitpoints at all.  It was "I used up both my 5th level spells.  4th level spells are useless because of how little damage they do compared to the monsters we fight.  I suggest we just go home and come back tomorrow when I have both my 5th level spells back.  If we're forced to rely on lower level spells there's a real chance we'll die.  I think the Orcs will continue living in their ancestral home for the next day if we leave and come back."Hitpoints are ONE of the factors of the 5MWD.  But it's major issue was that each encounter was life or death so proceeding to the next one without your full compliment of abilities was suicide.The thing is, with the balance in 5e, basic attacks are a valid form of winning a combat.  I'd be willing to go into combat with 0 spell slots as a Wizard knowing that I have a good chance of surviving in 5e.  When the difference between my basic attacks and my spells in 3e were 1d8-1 points of damage to 20d6 points of damage, I'm not going to rely on my basic attacks for anything.</blockquote>