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<blockquote data-quote="RotGrub" data-source="post: 6318029" data-attributes="member: 6777078">What page is Second Wind from in 3e PHB ?&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't see it in the 3e PHB.&nbsp; &nbsp; The 3e fighter CAN'T instantly heal himself like he can in 4e/5e.&nbsp;&nbsp; All those other books are late 3.5e/4e changes that I also rebuke.. but at least they are optional.The onus is on you to prove 5e isn't like 4e.&nbsp; Everyone I play with thinks 5e is just going to be more of the same.&nbsp; That's the perception out there! That's the hurdle 5e MUST overcome.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I have desire to play a D&amp;D game that isn't like 4e.&nbsp; Instant auto healing like SW/healing surges is one very strong indication that the game hasn't moved on from its mistakes.&nbsp;&nbsp; IMO it appears to be going in the wrong direction and because of that I won't be playing it.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Why am I here?&nbsp; I'm here hoping someone will prove me wrong and tell me that 5e will have the options I need to play.&nbsp; &nbsp; So far all you've done is try to justify non-magical healing.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't care for that style of gaming.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't play that way and I never will play that way.&nbsp;&nbsp; In fact, I don't play 4e because of it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RotGrub, post: 6318029, member: 6777078"] What page is Second Wind from in 3e PHB ? I don't see it in the 3e PHB. The 3e fighter CAN'T instantly heal himself like he can in 4e/5e. All those other books are late 3.5e/4e changes that I also rebuke.. but at least they are optional. The onus is on you to prove 5e isn't like 4e. Everyone I play with thinks 5e is just going to be more of the same. That's the perception out there! That's the hurdle 5e MUST overcome. I have desire to play a D&D game that isn't like 4e. Instant auto healing like SW/healing surges is one very strong indication that the game hasn't moved on from its mistakes. IMO it appears to be going in the wrong direction and because of that I won't be playing it. Why am I here? I'm here hoping someone will prove me wrong and tell me that 5e will have the options I need to play. So far all you've done is try to justify non-magical healing. I don't care for that style of gaming. I don't play that way and I never will play that way. In fact, I don't play 4e because of it. [/QUOTE]

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