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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 6321555" data-attributes="member: 1210">The classic example of when &quot;raw score matters&quot; is an arm wrestling match. It has been spelled out in at least two editions, IIRC, that this is an example of when &quot;high score wins&quot;.Granted, the modifier matters a lot more, but is it really so hard for a new player to pick up on that? I think the argument that this makes a significant difference to new gamers sells those same new gamers pretty darn short. Yes, there might be occasional confusion, but that is likely to happen no matter what the sheet looks like and no matter how information is presented. As for grognard-pandering... the entire ruleset panders to grognards of one type or another.Lots lots lots LOTS of DMs run some parts of sessions, or sometimes entire sessions or even campaigns, off the cuff. It's a well-established and traditional style of dming that 5e ought to support, along with all the other well-established dm style traditions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 6321555, member: 1210"] The classic example of when "raw score matters" is an arm wrestling match. It has been spelled out in at least two editions, IIRC, that this is an example of when "high score wins". Granted, the modifier matters a lot more, but is it really so hard for a new player to pick up on that? I think the argument that this makes a significant difference to new gamers sells those same new gamers pretty darn short. Yes, there might be occasional confusion, but that is likely to happen no matter what the sheet looks like and no matter how information is presented. As for grognard-pandering... the [i]entire ruleset[/i] panders to grognards of one type or another. Lots lots lots LOTS of DMs run some parts of sessions, or sometimes entire sessions or even campaigns, off the cuff. It's a well-established and traditional style of dming that 5e ought to support, along with all the other well-established dm style traditions. [/QUOTE]

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