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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4989434" data-attributes="member: 4937">You mean like...But on the other hand...Your evidence doesn't address what you proport to refute.  From the sound of it, you are a 'rules as restrictions' DM that allows things outside the rules.  Just because you are a 'rules as restrictions' DM, doesn't mean that you allow players to cast 9th level spells at 1st level, or walk through walls (without some enabling ability), or whatever.  Just because you are open to propositions not couched in the language of the rules doesn't imply that you let the character accomplish whatever they ask to do.  Saying 'yes' has never meant letting the PC's do whatever they want.  If you don't know what the poles of discussion are, it would be better not to comment on them.  I agree that for most topics, few people take anything to an illogical extreme, but quite often its not the illogical extreme that is being discussed.I'm not sure what that means.  However, I can say that I've dealt with players before that would have been outraged at any deviation from the rules that they could prove was a deviation, and I have heard from (on these boards) DMs that insist that its bad DMing to ever deviate from the letter of the rules.  So perhaps there are more things under heaven and earth than exist in your reasonable moderate philosophy.</blockquote>