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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 5335977" data-attributes="member: 5890">Entirely dependant upon the DM. Which is why I'm saying &quot;keep it in mind&quot;I have seen at least 4 threads on these boards to the effect of &quot;my players don't look past their power cards, how can I get them to try X?&quot;... can try, can have fail or be ineffective. It still means that most classes get all their class abilities PLUS improvised ones, while the rogue and swordmage get few to none. A rogue without his specific weapons may as well not have a class: that's really how bad it is.Which is what this thread is for: to help DMs work through the issues. It's really counterproductive to say &quot;lets not discuss this, because clearly anyone interested in reading this thread will have already solved the problem&quot;If temporary is 3 encounters, then that could easily be two sessions of &quot;I'm sorry rogue, but you don't have a class today! Wooo!&quot;...overwhelm a non-combat NPC to get weapons?I mean sure, looting the kitchen to get some weapons is fine - the point to any DM who's intending on running this scenario is that some characters will perform much better/worse than others.Unless they're a rogue, in which case they can't attack using their powers at all...And he'll find out how to do that by reading information like this thread where people address the issues instead of assuming that their readers already know everything.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 5335977, member: 5890"] Entirely dependant upon the DM. Which is why I'm saying "keep it in mind" I have seen at least 4 threads on these boards to the effect of "my players don't look past their power cards, how can I get them to try X?" ... can try, can have fail or be ineffective. It still means that most classes get all their class abilities PLUS improvised ones, while the rogue and swordmage get few to none. A rogue without his specific weapons may as well not have a class: that's really how bad it is. Which is what this thread is for: to help DMs work through the issues. It's really counterproductive to say "lets not discuss this, because clearly anyone interested in reading this thread will have already solved the problem" If temporary is 3 encounters, then that could easily be two sessions of "I'm sorry rogue, but you don't have a class today! Wooo!" ...overwhelm a non-combat NPC to get weapons? I mean sure, looting the kitchen to get some weapons is fine - the point to any DM who's intending on running this scenario is that some characters will perform much better/worse than others. Unless they're a rogue, in which case they can't attack using their powers at all... And he'll find out how to do that by reading information like this thread where people address the issues instead of assuming that their readers already know everything. [/QUOTE]

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