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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 5337949" data-attributes="member: 5890">It is. So when you say "bah, it's not an issue", then that's a problem, and it's why I keep reiterating that it's an issue.The rules say that it's a problem. I'm not advocating sticking with those rules. I advocate doing all of the following:1. Adding "unarmed" to the groups of weapons that rogues can use their powers with (because at present, it's not possible to use powers like blind or garotte without holding a knife, which makes no sense to begin with).2. Allowing improvised weapons to count as whatever weapon type seems appropriate  (ie - if I pick up a length of chain and bash someone with it, it should count as a flail).That's the cleanest solution and it makes the most sense in the long term.I don't advocate saying "it won't be an issue" or "it doesn't matter if the rogue doesn't get to fight for 2 sessions", or even "I'll change hit chances so the rogue can have heaps of fun with his basic attacks!" and that's what it sounds like you're saying.It was in reply to you specifically saying"I know. But all of the classes that typically attack AC also have a number of power choices that don't target AC. If they pick those and don't have a weapon, their chance of hitting is identical to an implement user."This is flat out wrong without a change to the rules. Why am I discussing the rules? Because that's the assumed base we all start from. Of course we can change them. Of course we don't need to stick to RAW like it's some sort of holy text. But unless you or I propose some alternative rule that we're following, how can we discuss the situation?If the entire escape can be accomplished through the use of skills, then the fact that people are unbalanced in combat is eliminated of course. Of course for the scenario to have much import, combat has to be at least possible - at which point you're back to scratching your head and wondering why the rogue's character walked to the corner of the battlefield and stealthed for the whole fight, while the player went to the kitchen to make himself something to eat.Oh, and you also misattributed a bunch of quotes of mine to mad hamish, the poor guy.</blockquote>

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