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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Don Carnage" data-source="post: 242935" data-attributes="member: 5671">Expecting MoreThere's that quote I love: Arguing on the internet is like winning in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />A point where ol'Psion is wrong. Rereading the rules, it says you can elect not to use the Deflect bonus to defense against ranged weapons to get a better chance at the deflect. So. You cannot voluntarily lower you defense. Defense is static. You can choose not to add the Deflect bonus to your defense, but you can't lower your defense (pg. 61, if you don't believe me). The example of Windu's defense given above was without the Deflect ranged bonus added in. So, again, there is no way for Mace to deflect a Battledroid's blaster shot back at him. We see this in the movies, we cannot do it with the mechanics. That, my friends, is a failure. Only if you read the rules. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Some more thoughts. Hey, me too. Hey, we agree that Deflect, as written, has failed. So, if the character write-ups don't work and deflect doesn't mimic the movies, why should we support this product? Those are two very big problems. We're talking about examples of iconic characters being mistaken, and a major, vital ability of the Jedi not working. And those are just the points we can agree on. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> So, I should state why Yoda is proof that the classes are erroneous. Which I did. That he's referred to, and shown, as the best swordsman. Which he isn't. According to the rules. And you don't have to state why Yoda proves nothing. Hee. You know what they say, give someone enough rope. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> I'm happy that you can be so forgiving with your money. I wish I could be. I'm not sure how much you paid, but I spent 40 dollars on my rulebook, rules that at least in two cases we agree are flawed. I'm glad you can swallow the 40 bucks, but I expect more for my money. On to happier things!My thoughts mirror your players, Krail. With too many things being just off about the Revised Rules, I'm glad, happy even, sticking with the Original Rules. I wish I had known this before buying the Revised Rules, but then I wouldn't have such wonderful events to compete in the internet's version of the Special Olympics. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />That last idea is a stellar one. Make a Jedi Knight core class that goes to 10th level, and Prestige Class the rest. I love that idea.</blockquote>

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