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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Evilhalfling" data-source="post: 1712645" data-attributes="member: 16991">Here is the list of gandalf's spells for hobbit and Fellowship Some of which may be from the elven Ring of Fire The Hobbit Dispel Magic/ Darkness - goblin hall Pyrotechnics - Goblin Hall Light/ Contiual Light - gollums caves Produce Flame - Fighting with Worgs ? - calling eagles for rescue  Good Fighting skills - Hide skill - trolls/goblin caves Fellowship This book I have, so I will reread where I remeber him using spells Opening the door to Moria - "Many times he [Gandalf] repeated these words in different order, or varied them, then he tried other spells, one after another... " From the movie I thought he tried 3 opening spells - Knock, Dispel magic and Open/close, but this is only an approximation. He also put a shutting spell on a door - quickly broken by the balrog Protection from evil seems the closest to his first move against the balrog then he breaks his staff, and the bridge with it.  Two Towers   Gandalf refers to being burned by the balrog, and frozen by the water they plunged into, but refers to the battle of the peak as it would be seen by a distant observer, a storm with lighting, thunder, tounges of fire and ice falling like rain.He uses suggestions to stop Legolas and Gimli from attacking him - or spoken spells that compel obediance.  He uses the same power against Saruman, and breaks his Saruman's staff with a word.  He survives this fall, but does not jump from saruman's tower. If he used magic it is inconsitant. He also sends word through an animal to the eagles - speak w/animal? animal messenger? you can fill in a minor inconsitancy by saying he did the same thing in the hobbit, it just wasn't recorded. This variety of spells and the low level in general seems to indicate a druid/sorcerer.  As a Ishtari he is not human, he is instead a spirit of power, of the same order as a balrog.  This would indicate outsider status - and this may be where his fighting skills and skill points come from, and huge HP total. BAB = outsider HD, and skills = 8+int mod x (outsider HD +3)Both Gandalf the white and Saruman can compel by giving spoken commands. I would guess this is a racial ablity of the Ishtari.  A huge ECL also explains why he has so few levels in spellcasting classes.  Can anyone point out a spell of higher than 3rd level that gandalf casts?</blockquote>

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