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<blockquote data-quote="D+1" data-source="post: 1714059" data-attributes="member: 13654"><p>But that in turn indicates that the orcs are not "mook" orcs. The Uruk Hai in particular are clearly better than "mook" status, but LotR orcs are NOT D&D orcs any more than Aragorn can truly be called a D&D "ranger" even though the class was clearly originally based on the character.</p><p></p><p>Boromir, by accounts was one of the greatest mortal fighting men of Middle Earth, but is surrounded and outnumbered by enemies and slain. Aragorn, Eomer, and Imrahil on the other hand are specifically noted as having managed to fight the entire day at the Battle of the Pellanor Fields until they are "weary beyond joy or sorrow", but head back to the city UNSCATHED when it's over.</p><p></p><p>Now there's no indication that Eomer is a vastly better warrior than Boromir, or that Boromir is a vastly inferior warrior to Eomer. The constraints of the D&D rules defy that these two outcomes could nonetheless exist within the D&D rules. I can't think of any reason why these two shouldn't be very close in level and skills (except perhaps riding) but then how can Boromir die so easily even IF he's outnumbered and Eomer fight all day long and not get a scratch? D&D rules effectively dicatate that they CANNOT have remotely similar levels or skills.</p><p></p><p>The only factors I can think of that MIGHT make a difference is firstly that Boromir was fighting Uruk Hai, whereas Eomer was apparantly fighting largely Southrons and Easterlings after Aragorns arrival by ship and the bulk of the forces of Mordor fled the field. That and Boromir was effectively alone at his death, whereas Eomer et. al. had troops and compatriots all around and would have had far superior tactical options available to them. Maybe that alone IS the difference.</p><p></p><p>But still, Middle Earth never has translated very well to D&D. It can be <em>adapted</em> but not with too much literal accuracy to Tolkiens presentation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D+1, post: 1714059, member: 13654"] But that in turn indicates that the orcs are not "mook" orcs. The Uruk Hai in particular are clearly better than "mook" status, but LotR orcs are NOT D&D orcs any more than Aragorn can truly be called a D&D "ranger" even though the class was clearly originally based on the character. Boromir, by accounts was one of the greatest mortal fighting men of Middle Earth, but is surrounded and outnumbered by enemies and slain. Aragorn, Eomer, and Imrahil on the other hand are specifically noted as having managed to fight the entire day at the Battle of the Pellanor Fields until they are "weary beyond joy or sorrow", but head back to the city UNSCATHED when it's over. Now there's no indication that Eomer is a vastly better warrior than Boromir, or that Boromir is a vastly inferior warrior to Eomer. The constraints of the D&D rules defy that these two outcomes could nonetheless exist within the D&D rules. I can't think of any reason why these two shouldn't be very close in level and skills (except perhaps riding) but then how can Boromir die so easily even IF he's outnumbered and Eomer fight all day long and not get a scratch? D&D rules effectively dicatate that they CANNOT have remotely similar levels or skills. The only factors I can think of that MIGHT make a difference is firstly that Boromir was fighting Uruk Hai, whereas Eomer was apparantly fighting largely Southrons and Easterlings after Aragorns arrival by ship and the bulk of the forces of Mordor fled the field. That and Boromir was effectively alone at his death, whereas Eomer et. al. had troops and compatriots all around and would have had far superior tactical options available to them. Maybe that alone IS the difference. But still, Middle Earth never has translated very well to D&D. It can be [i]adapted[/i] but not with too much literal accuracy to Tolkiens presentation. [/QUOTE]
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