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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nyaricus" data-source="post: 2700303" data-attributes="member: 35678">evening, IndyPendantwell, first off, thank you for reiterating your positions. I would just like to say that probably Man in the Funny hat said it best:either way, this stands true. And, since D&D is the way it is, that's the way it will be. Tradition is tradition, and although we are now using d20's for rolling instead of reffering to THAC0, D&D remains very much the same - in both flavour (medieval fantasy-based game) and mechanically (such as rolling to see in you "hit" etc).I have one quibble myself though, about your quibble:The fact is, your stats stay the same with rolling/random gen or with Point Buy - either way you abide by limitations set by your chosen method of generation. I was not "tossing it out" - merely stating that i was well aware of that facet of the "problem", and i knew that someone would exploit that fact before i could say otherwise - what i was doing was merely reiterating the obvious. What you start with is what you end with, unless you live long enough to change that fact (+to stats, magic items, wish spell, etc).Anyways, perhaps the obvious thing to do is to agree to disagree. It is admirable that you like something that is held "within the minority" as StreamoftheSky said. Thats cool - and the fact is, D&D players and DM's are oftentime seen as a minority group; but that truely doesn't matter, does it? This is a pastime that captures many a person's wildest dreams, and screams at them go on adventures into the darkest chasms and mighiest mountains on that quest. Some are ignorent (still) of what it is. I once had a girl, whom i was courting, who didn't want to go out with me because i was (and still am) atheist, and because "D&D is a satanic game". Give me a break. Her loss <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> , anyways.Still like my rolling for stats though <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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