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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2787272" data-attributes="member: 307"><p>If the FAQ quote read as you wanted it to it would say "temporary bonuses to ability scores are treated the same as permanent ones with respect to temporary abilities, except as otherwise noted." It does not. It says temporary bonuses are the same as permanent bonuses unless otherwise stated.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And the simple fact is that the text of the rules lends <em>no</em> weight to your argument, or even anything that could be considered contradictory to the FAQ. The text says enhancement bonuses adds to your ability score. The text gives specific exceptions to the effects of this increased ability score. Feats are not listed in those exceptions. The FAQ clearly does not contradict these rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You said that allowing items to qualify you for feats shouldn't be allowed because they don't specify that you have to have +X bonus to ability checks, but instead X abilitcy score. That is a non-sequitur of an argument, because ability score enhancing items grant a bonus to the ability score itself. Your arguments are so all over the place that they are starting to really lose cohesion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The blanket statement does not limit itself to "temporary" uses of an enhanced ability score. In point of fact, the distinction between permanent uses and temporary ones is one that you (and KD) have made up from whole cloth. If the designers intended there to be such a distinction, then they would have defined one. They did not. Instead, they gave us specific exceptions. The basic rule is that enhancement bonuses enhance the underlying attribute they are modifying (from the online glossary):</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Note that the enhancment bonus to an ability score is a "general bonus to an ability score". It does not specify "a bonus for temporary effects only", a limitation you have invented that appears to have no basis in the rules. Please explain where your limitation comes from, other than your own imagination.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you need to reread the rules on <em>divine power</em>.</p><p></p><p>Imbued spells don't appear to actually be "cast" so much as "used". I see no problem with allowing a character in possession of a feat granting item using that feat to enter a PrC.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 2787272, member: 307"] If the FAQ quote read as you wanted it to it would say "temporary bonuses to ability scores are treated the same as permanent ones with respect to temporary abilities, except as otherwise noted." It does not. It says temporary bonuses are the same as permanent bonuses unless otherwise stated. [i][/i] And the simple fact is that the text of the rules lends [i]no[/i] weight to your argument, or even anything that could be considered contradictory to the FAQ. The text says enhancement bonuses adds to your ability score. The text gives specific exceptions to the effects of this increased ability score. Feats are not listed in those exceptions. The FAQ clearly does not contradict these rules. [i][/i] You said that allowing items to qualify you for feats shouldn't be allowed because they don't specify that you have to have +X bonus to ability checks, but instead X abilitcy score. That is a non-sequitur of an argument, because ability score enhancing items grant a bonus to the ability score itself. Your arguments are so all over the place that they are starting to really lose cohesion. [i][/i] The blanket statement does not limit itself to "temporary" uses of an enhanced ability score. In point of fact, the distinction between permanent uses and temporary ones is one that you (and KD) have made up from whole cloth. If the designers intended there to be such a distinction, then they would have defined one. They did not. Instead, they gave us specific exceptions. The basic rule is that enhancement bonuses enhance the underlying attribute they are modifying (from the online glossary): Note that the enhancment bonus to an ability score is a "general bonus to an ability score". It does not specify "a bonus for temporary effects only", a limitation you have invented that appears to have no basis in the rules. Please explain where your limitation comes from, other than your own imagination. [i][/i] I think you need to reread the rules on [i]divine power[/i]. Imbued spells don't appear to actually be "cast" so much as "used". I see no problem with allowing a character in possession of a feat granting item using that feat to enter a PrC. [/QUOTE]
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