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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2788292" data-attributes="member: 31734">The primary source rule only comes into effect in the event of a disagreement (conflict).  There is no conflict under my interpretation.  There is a conflict under yours.  Ergo, my interpretation is better supported by the rules.Nice.  Aren't you amusing? Oh, I disagree.  It's exactly like using a magic item because it is using a magic item.  The scroll doesn't even need to be used! It's even more concrete that using a spell or some other special ability. There might be confusion on what I'm arguing, so let me briefly clear it up.  I am arguing that reading a scroll is casting a spell.  I'm arguing against letting someone use an item, spell, or special ability (in a similar manner) as a requirement or prerequisite.  The other side, however, argues for such things and therefore I'm pointing out how to use a scroll to meet the various 'casts arcane spells' requirements.  Of course, this approach is an ugly loophole and it's no surprise I'm getting such a violent backlash to it. But, it's not my recommended interpretation, so I by no means advocate it.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I've also clearly stated that I don't think the rules define how to level-up and thus there's no definition either way about using temporary spells or items for prerequisites or requirements.  If you allow it, fine, it's not against the RAW.  If you don't allow it, fine, it's not against the RAW.  But, if you allow it, that means you have defined level-up to have a real definition, in terms of combat rounds, and that you get some funky stuff as with the scrolls and other things. I pointed out a couple sentence explicitly defined the user of the scroll as casting the spell from the scroll.  Not the scroll casting the spell, the person using the scroll casting the spell.  UMD is very clear about it. One reference in the DMG, but more than one elsewhere.  What does it matter if there's one, though?  If there was one reference that said "You can't use bull's strength for fulling prerequisites on feat" would you toss it out as being insufficient?  Do all rules need to be duplicate multiple times before they become valid?  Of course not.  The 'one' in one reference should only be called into question if you think there's a conflict.</blockquote>

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