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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6786083" data-attributes="member: 7635"><p>Its funny, I've been getting back into Magic: the Gathering and low-and-behold, I see this <a href="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/650181-the-current-state-of-the-game" target="_blank">thread</a> on MTGSalvation. The short version of the thread is that there is a lot of doom-and-gloom about M:TG involving online (the MTGO client is... lacking), marketing (some really sketchy games and apps), and the general idea that "WotC isn't listening to its customers" and "its in danger of losing to Hearthstone (Blizzard's CCG)". </p><p></p><p>Deja-vu hit me. You could replace nearly every complaint the M:TG crowd has with its game with the D&D crowd and their game. Online non-existent? Check. Spinoff items like gaming and apps poor? Check. Blizzard still eating D&D's lunch via WoW? Check. There are a few differences (D&D players are complaining about the glacial pace of releases, M:TG the constant treadmill of new sets) but both fandoms have some similar thoughts. </p><p></p><p>This leads me to believe one of two things are true.</p><p></p><p>Wizard's has no idea what they're doing, stumbling by ineptly only on the strength of their brands' names and is eventually going to fail and take down the CCG/TTRPG markets with them.</p><p></p><p>Wizard's is secretly brilliant and know exactly what they're doing thanks to strong market research, design, and the ability to read the tea-leaves better than their "fans" can. </p><p></p><p>So either D&D and Magic are in great hands and will see continued growth and success for years to come, or we'll all be playing Hearthstone, World of Warcraft, and Pathfinder next year...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 6786083, member: 7635"] Its funny, I've been getting back into Magic: the Gathering and low-and-behold, I see this [URL="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/650181-the-current-state-of-the-game"]thread[/URL] on MTGSalvation. The short version of the thread is that there is a lot of doom-and-gloom about M:TG involving online (the MTGO client is... lacking), marketing (some really sketchy games and apps), and the general idea that "WotC isn't listening to its customers" and "its in danger of losing to Hearthstone (Blizzard's CCG)". Deja-vu hit me. You could replace nearly every complaint the M:TG crowd has with its game with the D&D crowd and their game. Online non-existent? Check. Spinoff items like gaming and apps poor? Check. Blizzard still eating D&D's lunch via WoW? Check. There are a few differences (D&D players are complaining about the glacial pace of releases, M:TG the constant treadmill of new sets) but both fandoms have some similar thoughts. This leads me to believe one of two things are true. Wizard's has no idea what they're doing, stumbling by ineptly only on the strength of their brands' names and is eventually going to fail and take down the CCG/TTRPG markets with them. Wizard's is secretly brilliant and know exactly what they're doing thanks to strong market research, design, and the ability to read the tea-leaves better than their "fans" can. So either D&D and Magic are in great hands and will see continued growth and success for years to come, or we'll all be playing Hearthstone, World of Warcraft, and Pathfinder next year... [/QUOTE]
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