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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6787934" data-attributes="member: 2525">The Legendary rules do a good job of addressing this issue, but there is a serious lack of Legendary monsters and examples of different powers and lairs they can have when they are Legendary.WHEN every single edition of the game supported, for example, 12th level, it had decent support for 12th level challenges.  It never took time to supply the challenge support for the levels that were supported in the game at that point.  No, that's not what I am saying (you have not seen me say there are too few total monsters).  I said there are too few challenges for mid and high level play.  It's something different they did with this MM.There isn't, for this issue I am talking about.  And again, you appear to not be addressing my point.  You can't mine history for CR 12 monster stats - it doesn't flow directly like that.  And you can convert, but you need a good basis to convert from - and with only 1-3 monsters of some CRs, that's a poor basis to convert from.  I am not saying it's impossible, just that it's much more difficult, and doesn't tend to go as well.  OK so even you agree with me on this - what are you arguing about then?Sure.  But at the point where campaigns are now routinely hitting the levels where they admit they intentionally didn't give many challenges for those levels because they wanted to see how the few examples they did provide went over, I think it's fair to argue, "OK, it's time now". I was giving an example, not saying my example represents all levels.  I gave another example as well.  These are gaps.  They're real.  There are 170 CR 0-1 challenges in the MM, and only ONE CR 18 challenge.  I am not looking for parity there, but I am demonstrating there is a real gap.  You need a sufficient array of different types of monsters at differing challenges to adequately convert things.  There just isn't a sufficient number for mid and higher level play.  And...again, they know this. I have no idea why you're arguing with me about this.  Are you calling Mike Mearls a liar when HE says he knows there isn't enough at those levels?There were plenty of challenges for those levels - they're increasingly difficult to convert to 5e because of a lack of a basis to compare them to.  I know - it's what I've been doing.  Do you think I am just joking when I say I am experiencing this issue?No that's BS.  That issue has nothing at all to do with this issue.  Higher level challenges, and challenges which can serve as solo monsters, is not related to rate of PC death.</blockquote>

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